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Old March 21st, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Default I tried Nicolas's sharpening action

Quick and easy. Thank you Nicolas.



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Old March 21st, 2007, 11:58 AM
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I see two problems with Nicolas' sharpening! First the fish rotated in the process, second it lost part of the right fin, LOL!

Otherwise it's beautiful. Looks like she's got lip glosss!

A before would be helpful!

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Old March 21st, 2007, 02:44 PM
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Thanks for the thank Ron, but as Asher says we need before/after comparison!
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Old March 21st, 2007, 03:01 PM
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Thanks for the thank Ron, but as Asher says we need before/after comparison!
The unfortunate thing is that I deleted the other. I suppose I could do it all over again.
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Old March 21st, 2007, 05:59 PM
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Well, this time it should be faster, LOL!!!!!!

Otherwise we have no sense of whether Nicolas and you have some sort of conspiracy going on here!

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Old March 23rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
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Default Different subject

I went out to one of the pastures this morning and was greeted by big Benson. I figured a shot around the eye with the 70-200 f/2.8 IS would be a good try for Nicolas's sharpening as a couple of certain people asked for.

Before sharpening.


With Nicolas's action.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 11:01 AM
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Their is about 2 feet of snow left where he is standing. You can actually she hoof prints in the snow in his eye.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 11:16 AM
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Nice, without looking artificial or "over sharpened"

I'll have to try it. I have a picture that benefits greatly from careful sharpening, but shows the effects of oversharpening.

I'm on a shooting expedition for the next week, but if this thread is still alive when I return I'll try Nic's action and post before and after versions.
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 11:57 AM
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I have searched and can't find how to get that action! How do I get it?

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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:23 PM
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I have searched and can't find how to get that action! How do I get it?

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Its in this thread.
http://www.openphotographyforums.com...ead.php?t=2437
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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:27 PM
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Thank you Ron and Nicolas.

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Old March 23rd, 2007, 12:39 PM
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Well, Ron, that's a huge departure from fish! I love that image of the horse. At least as a teaser!

I'd love to see a larger image for several reasons. First the horse looks great as a subject. Next a large picture would ass more fine textures and the grass too. Each might respond a little differently to the sharpening.

As it is, I must take my hat off to Nicolas for the great process he has put together. Kudos and thanks to you both!

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Old March 24th, 2007, 07:10 AM
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Thanks all

I'm very happy that you find this action working well.

The only issue is that on large (very) files it make takes several minutes to perform (i.e. 300 dpi A1 size - 16 bits)... even on dual-Core Intel 2.66, but only 4 Gb of ram... so expensive!
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Old March 24th, 2007, 07:17 AM
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Why is is so calculation intensive?

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Old March 24th, 2007, 08:43 AM
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Lot of things to do... maybe also lack of RAM...
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Old March 25th, 2007, 12:58 PM
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Any one else have examples!

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Old March 26th, 2007, 11:47 AM
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Well, Asher, I took this last fall before the camera was tuned up by canon but they show some different textures.

Unsharpened


Nicolas's sharpening.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 04:06 AM
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Lot of things to do... maybe also lack of RAM...
I gave it a quick try; about a minute for a 120 MB 1DS-2-tiff, in 16 bit, on a (PPC) Quad with 8 GB of RAM.
Is it darkening a bit the shadows - popping up contrast?

Here's a comparison: unsharpend at the left, Nicolas action at the center, and Uwe Steinmüller's Easy sharpening at the right. All in 300%, PS.

My quick conclusion: Nicolas's acction is slightly sharpening stronger than "Easy sharpening" does.

Nicolas, do you use it as final sharpening, before delivering the images to the clients? I see, you went the LAB-route ;-)
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Old March 27th, 2007, 01:59 PM
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Yep, the 90%-black is definatly accentuated by your action, Nicolas, I had a look at the histogramm
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Old March 27th, 2007, 02:17 PM
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Bonsoir Michael
yes, I do agree, but:
- that's the way I like my pics, with contrasts and colorfull.
- the action produces a layer that is set by default at 70%, easy to tweak:
- sometimes I get it back to 30%
- sometimes I increase it to 100%
- I may also do a level with midtone around 1.1
- You may also use the eraser on some part...

I think such an action cannot be used the same way on all pictures, but it is - for me - a good start...

Thanks for trying it!
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Old March 27th, 2007, 02:30 PM
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Michael,

Great example. However, it's coming up as jagies especially the diagonals. Could you post a less compressed jpg?

This is too good a contribution not to see it at it's best!

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Old March 27th, 2007, 02:55 PM
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Michael has written there were 300%...
I agree it would be interesting to see the samples at 100%
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Old March 27th, 2007, 03:02 PM
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Different tries from different persons are of course very interesting and a good test for my sharpness action. However there are many other action around, I think it would be interesting too to test Benjamin Kanarek workflow.
I'll give it a try tomorrow.
I also think that this thread should be merged with Benjamin's thread (in "Layback cafe") and moved to "Image Processing and Workflow" forum.

Asher if you agree could you do this?
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Old March 27th, 2007, 03:20 PM
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Bonsoir Michael
yes, I do agree, but:
- that's the way I like my pics, with contrasts and colorfull.
- the action produces a layer that is set by default at 70%, easy to tweak:
- sometimes I get it back to 30%
- sometimes I increase it to 100%
- I may also do a level with midtone around 1.1
- You may also use the eraser on some part...

I think such an action cannot be used the same way on all pictures, but it is - for me - a good start...

Thanks for trying it!
Helas Nicolas

ç'était pas du mauvais ésprit; et je savais d' exagerér en agrandissant a troiscent...

Setting the layer's opacity is a very valuable option, that I tried, too. Nicolas statement "I think such an action cannot be used the same way on all pictures" is identical with my own experiences.

I like the enhancement of the black, as I usually tend to keep them "open", till the last step. This pops contrast and color. I used your action today, in a rather "creative sharpening" - following the terms of Bruce Fraser - with a mask, for "selective" sharpness.

Still the question: Do you use it as last step, before reducing to 8-bit?
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Old March 27th, 2007, 03:22 PM
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Michael,

Great example. However, it's coming up as jagies especially the diagonals. Could you post a less compressed jpg?

This is too good a contribution not to see it at it's best!

Thanks,

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Asher and Nicolas, I'll upload it tomorrow, as I'm at home, now.
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Old March 27th, 2007, 03:31 PM
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Fine!
Thanks Michael!

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Old March 28th, 2007, 12:14 AM
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ç'était pas du mauvais ésprit; et je savais d' exagerér en agrandissant a troiscent...
300% is a good way to check also, then it's also interesting to see at 100% (and even at 50%)
I didn't understand your comments as "mauvais esprit" at all!
Comments may be negative also, though I didn't take them as so...
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Still the question: Do you use it as last step, before reducing to 8-bit?
It is generally the last step before I save the file as LAB 16 bits, then:
- if the final output is RGB, I convert to the desired RGB color space prior to reduce to 16 bits
- if the final output is cmyk, I convert to appropriate cmyk color space prior to reduce to 16 bits

Sometimes it reveals some spots (not necessarly sensor's dust) so I'll have some cloning (but that can be done in 8 bits)
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Old March 28th, 2007, 02:58 AM
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ok, so he' re the 100%views, taken from screenshots at 72 dpi, and converted to sRGB. Still its not a 100% view of a tiff in PS....

BTW: It's shot from Distagon 28 on a 1 DS-2.











Nicolas, thanks for clarifying the action's place in your workflow.
This reminds me, that I generally tend to sharpen rather conservative, as - when delivering the shots - I never know its final size, use, CMYK-profile, etc.
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Old March 28th, 2007, 05:07 AM
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Nicolas, thanks for clarifying the action's place in your workflow.
This reminds me, that I generally tend to sharpen rather conservative, as - when delivering the shots - I never know its final size, use, CMYK-profile, etc.
Hi Michael

thanks for posting the above, I honestly have to admit that I don't prefer th "esay sharpening" versions...

I generally deliver my pics to the clients as this:
Out of camera size at 300 dpi / sRGB

I convert to cmyk when I know where (USA/Europe) it will be printed and on what kind of printer.

Otherwise, we mainly use our pics for producing ads or brochure for our clients so we know size and color space needed!

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Old March 28th, 2007, 05:28 PM
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I'm posting this for Richard McNeil.

First the lobster, original, unsharpened:



and now sharpened with Nicolas Claris' actions:



Now the bird (what is it and where do you find them) original



and sharpened


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