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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Here Marcia has a doll of newspaper and string.




Asher Kelman: Marcia with Infant

Canon 5DII, Northern Afternoon Light


Asher
 

Jerome Marot

Active member
I have more to post, but here's just a portrait in natural light.




Asher Kelman: Marcia: Waiting for Photography Setup!
I missed this one. Quite different to the other ones, but the expression is priceless. The combination of the eyes and the hair is very powerful.
 

Maggie Terlecki

Active member
Asher,

There are 2 photos here. The first of Marcia waiting for the photo shoot to continue is beautiful. Her hair especially and she seems so relaxed and natural.

Marcia with Infant. I do like her position and find her hands very calm and relaxed. They don't seem posed at all. I can see using a doll to replace an infant, but am very curious about the doll being made out of newspaper and very thick string that appears to be rope. I guess this is my biggest hurdle, as I try to understand the significance of the appearance of the doll.

If the doll were a regular doll, I don't think I would give it a second thought, but here, there appears to be something else going on and I try to comprehend what it is.

So to start, I try to find a positive meaning. The doll is wrapped in newspaper and string, as a gift would have been in olden times before cutesy wrapping paper? Oh, but this doll is not wrapped in newspaper and string, she's made out of newspaper and string.

I then get some negative ideas, such as creepy voodoo and a child as a marionette, but neither of these ring true.

So, all I can be left with, is the woman and her need for nurturing. She has no child so creates one with stuff laying around. Ordinary newspaper and string from a drawer. Yes, she didn't have a child, but she has made herself one. Now, she is no longer restless and can sleep.

Have no idea what you intended, but this was my final conclusion.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Asher,

There are 2 photos here. The first of Marcia waiting for the photo shoot to continue is beautiful. Her hair especially and she seems so relaxed and natural.

Marcia with Infant. I do like her position and find her hands very calm and relaxed. They don't seem posed at all.
Thanks!

I can see using a doll to replace an infant, but am very curious about the doll being made out of newspaper and very thick string that appears to be rope. I guess this is my biggest hurdle, as I try to understand the significance of the appearance of the doll.

So, all I can be left with, is the woman and her need for nurturing. She has no child so creates one with stuff laying around. Ordinary newspaper and string from a drawer. Yes, she didn't have a child, but she has made herself one. Now, she is no longer restless and can sleep.
That's about it. It's actually a transformation from the picture with the violin. We try to make up for what we need as best we can to deal with our aches! Then we forget about what was really going on!

Like the nun that scratches her leg until, over the years, she has no idea why there's a rash and it's always red and scarred. All she knows is that it's part of her.

Asher
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
I want to thank everyone for feedback. It helps me understand how you read my pictures. I will be doing more work, hopefully soon and with film. So feel free to add your feelings and constructive thoughts. I don't know how the project will end up. I for sure will be influenced. That can't be helped! But I love to know your reactions, without any promise to take your advice with any more than a pinch of salt. :)

Asher
 

Andy brown

Active member
Hi Asher,

I do like how this series is evolving.
They're all beautiful shots and I've hesitated in offering any input because you clearly know what you're aiming for and are achieving it very nicely.

The concepts/lighting/mood/props and Marcia are all adding up to some gorgeous images.

The one opportunity I think could be explored more is with Marcia's lovely body.
She has an easy grace and sensuality to burn.
At the risk of objectifying her, I'd love to see you accentuate her hips a little more.
In the shot with the cello and the violin there's kind of a straight line formed between shoulder and hip.
In the shot with the oar there's more of the lovely feminine curve apparent.

Actually, having another look at the cello shot, there's a bit of a shadow from a crumpled sheet which interferes a bit with lines.

Anyway, hope this helps in some small way.
Cheers, andy
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Thanks again Andy,

I appreciate you sticking your neck out to give an honest feedback. It's so helpful and encouraging.

Asher
 
Here Marcia has a doll of newspaper and string.




Asher Kelman: Marcia with Infant

Canon 5DII, Northern Afternoon Light


Asher
Good photo, Asher, but one that might benefit from more cues about Marcie's thoughts/feelings about the surrogate baby. Maggie commented as follows:

If the doll were a regular doll, I don't think I would give it a second thought, but here, there appears to be something else going on and I try to comprehend what it is.

So to start, I try to find a positive meaning. The doll is wrapped in newspaper and string, as a gift would have been in olden times before cutesy wrapping paper? Oh, but this doll is not wrapped in newspaper and string, she's made out of newspaper and string.

I then get some negative ideas, such as creepy voodoo and a child as a marionette, but neither of these ring true.

So, all I can be left with, is the woman and her need for nurturing. She has no child so creates one with stuff laying around. Ordinary newspaper and string from a drawer. Yes, she didn't have a child, but she has made herself one. Now, she is no longer restless and can sleep.

Have no idea what you intended, but this was my final conclusion.
I agree, but want to go further. All the images in this sequence have Marcie in a quiescent mode. In the latest, she has a baby surrogate rather than a musical instrument, but remains quiescent. So what turns her on? Were her relationships with the instruments a form of sublimation for the baby she wants? If so, shouldn't her pose with the near-baby convey passion though position and facial expression? Or is a baby something she desperately doesn't want? Then her pose expression should express negative feelings such as fear or disgust. As the photos are now, she comes across as someone without passion, as though none of the prop symbols mean much to her beyond safety and fondness. That's not her, I'm sure, but an outcome of your creative process.

But in the image below, Marcie has a bit of steel in her eyes, she looks slightly pissed-off. "Give me something to get excited about (or act excited about)", is what this photo suggests to me.

I have more to post, but here's just a portrait in natural light.




Asher Kelman: Marcia: Waiting for Photography Setup!

I hope you like this one while I prepare more for posting!

Asher
What I'm getting at is that you're sitting on the fence in this series, Asher. Portraying love symbolically as St. Augustine depicted it in City of God, without lust, passion and pain. He allegedly was 72 years old when he finished that book, not a young man, whereas Marcie is a young woman. She is of an age when feelings, fears and passions define a life. I know from re-reading the start of this thread that you want to illustrate symbolically a "gentle bond" between two people (e.g., Lennon & Ono) but unless those people are indifferent to each other stronger emotions always come into play. Show us what they are. Hint at why they arise.

Cheers
Mike
 
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Reading again what I wrote yesterday, I hope that nobody (and especially Asher) took that comment as meant other than constructively. I developed a thick skin and in my other life as a researcher in behavioural science and sometimes forget to tone things down in other contexts. For example, a recently submitted article of mine had about 4,000 words of text and elicited nearly half that amount in mainly harsh critiques from reviewers. I took that as a huge compliment, understanding that the article had significance for them, otherwise they would not have bothered to expend so much effort on it. What they were doing was the equivalent of coaching a sprinter currently running 100 m in 10.1 s to bring that performance up to 9.9 s standard. I modified that article, taking account of what I considered valid criticisms and arguing against those I thought invalid, with the final product much better for their input.

I wrote in an earlier post on this thread that I think Asher's photos are brilliant and much prefer them to Annie Leibowitz's image that inspired the series. That still holds true.

Cheers
Mike
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Reading again what I wrote yesterday, I hope that nobody (and especially Asher) took that comment as meant other than constructively. I developed a thick skin and in my other life as a researcher in behavioural science and sometimes forget to tone things down in other contexts. For example, a recently submitted article of mine had about 4,000 words of text and elicited nearly half that amount in mainly harsh critiques from reviewers. I took that as a huge compliment, understanding that the article had significance for them, otherwise they would not have bothered to expend so much effort on it. What they were doing was the equivalent of coaching a sprinter currently running 100 m in 10.1 s to bring that performance up to 9.9 s standard. I modified that article, taking account of what I considered valid criticisms and arguing against those I thought invalid, with the final product much better for their input.

I wrote in an earlier post on this thread that I think Asher's photos are brilliant and much prefer them to Annie Leibowitz's image that inspired the series. That still holds true.
Mike,

The whole ethos of OPF is to aid folk on their own chosen path, sharing what they know, feel and think and have fun in the process! Other times, we can just say "Wow, wonderful picture!" and that's also nice and much appreciated, but not material to actually exploit and help us make our journeys! So thanks! You all give what I hoped for and more. It's not agreement we seek, but involvement. That's how we're strengthened and grow!

Asher
 
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Doug Kerr

Active member
Hi, Mike,

For example, a recently submitted article of mine had about 4,000 words of text and elicited nearly half that amount in mainly harsh critiques from reviewers. I took that as a huge compliment, understanding that the article had significance for them, otherwise they would not have bothered to expend so much effort on it.
Well said.

It's of course best if they actually read it. I have some regular "opponents" (that's different from "critics", in the proper sense) who never do! (Not here on OPF - that is, not any longer on OPF).

Best regards,

Doug
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Good photo, Asher, but one that might benefit from more cues about Marcie's thoughts/feelings about the surrogate baby. Maggie commented as follows:

I agree, but want to go further. All the images in this sequence have Marcie in a quiescent mode. In the latest, she has a baby surrogate rather than a musical instrument, but remains quiescent. So what turns her on? Were her relationships with the instruments a form of sublimation for the baby she wants? If so, shouldn't her pose with the near-baby convey passion though position and facial expression? Or is a baby something she desperately doesn't want? Then her pose expression should express negative feelings such as fear or disgust. As the photos are now, she comes across as someone without passion, as though none of the prop symbols mean much to her beyond safety and fondness. That's not her, I'm sure, but an outcome of your creative process.

But in the image below, Marcie has a bit of steel in her eyes, she looks slightly pissed-off. "Give me something to get excited about (or act excited about)", is what this photo suggests to me.



What I'm getting at is that you're sitting on the fence in this series, Asher. Portraying love symbolically as St. Augustine depicted it in City of God, without lust, passion and pain. He allegedly was 72 years old when he finished that book, not a young man, whereas Marcie is a young woman. She is of an age when feelings, fears and passions define a life. I know from re-reading the start of this thread that you want to illustrate symbolically a "gentle bond" between two people (e.g., Lennon & Ono) but unless those people are indifferent to each other stronger emotions always come into play. Show us what they are. Hint at why they arise.
Michael,

I came across your critical feedback, by chance and want to address your challenge. There's a gap in every scene in a drama between what the players planned or hoped for and what actually takes place. Similar gaps occur between the fantasies of the photographer and the expectations of the much, much younger female model. Sometimes the air does become passionate and it is something one has to face one way or another. It is a challenge to deal with these forces. The simplest way out for me is to focus more on beauty than eroticism.

It might be cowardice, but it's something to think about! It needs to be achieved without being personally involved, but during the shoot, a magnetic force field exists in which the work must be done.

Asher
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
I have more to post, but here's just a portrait in natural light.




Asher Kelman: Marcia: Waiting for Photography Setup!

I hope you like this one while I prepare more for posting!

Asher
I accidentally wondered back here. At this point I had looked down from my ladder and wanted her hair spread generously, but failed to transfer my ideas well enough to Yeney, my assistant and chaperone. To my left was little grandson Lev staring up, open mouthed in wonder.

“What’s up, Lev?”

“Granpa Asher, that’s a real workerman’s ladder. So cool!”

I got my self down and asked Marcy if I could touch her her and arrange it a little differently.

This is the result and I was happy.

Lev was touching the exceptionally tall Yellow ladder totally engaged like itcwas a new friend!

Asher
 
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