Any advert in a public space is yours

[Mark Hampton]

Below is a quote from Banksy
"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

**** that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.

- Banksy"

in another thread I posted the Fanny advert from Irn Bru (asher moved it to a safe place I belive) - the advert has been banned from tv in scotland because people complained about the contents. It was an intreasting play on double meanings of words. In scotland a fanny is also a term used to describe a vagina.

I have done a number of works based on double meanings - also looked at when the word becomes normalised through usage - below is one based on an image from the Irn Bru campain. I have altered the text - printed and rephotographed (in digitail form with my phone) the image.

i have over saturated and made the image somewhat dirty by breaking the white - to take it away from the advert and move it into a new space.

R.Moet.Sin - Deka​

cheers

 

[Asher Kelman]

Mark,

Shakespeare hints at the homonymic quality of the word, as in referring to a country doctor.

What on earth are those stickers about? Never heard of either the bru or the Scottish understanding of "Fanny", which to most of us is what you sit on.

Asher

 

[Asher Kelman]

Mark,

I don't think anyone can stop us from photographing billboards. I do that every week in LA!

When I take the picture, I'm including it's milieux and making new art. It includes the art of the street, the architecture of the buildings and how everything conflicts and yet fits together in energetic turmoil that's pleasing to my eye.

So I have no issue with grabbing parts of adverts. What might be a problem is putting the advert in a position whereby the brand is unjustly caused to lose value or money by one publishing the work in a degrading place. Then one might possibly have a claim of libel per quod..

Asher

 

[Mark Hampton]

Mark,

I don't think anyone can stop us from photographing billboards. I do that every week in LA!

When I take the picture, I'm including it's milieux and making new art. It includes the art of the street, the architecture of the buildings and how everything conflicts and yet fits together in energetic turmoil that's pleasing to my eye.

So I have no issue with grabbing parts of adverts. What might be a problem is putting the advert in a position whereby the brand is unjustly caused to lose value or money by one publishing the work in a degrading place. Then one might possibly have a claim of libel per quod..

Asher

Asher,

i love the smell of libel in the morning !

 

[Mark Hampton]

Asher,

i love the smell of libel in the morning !

so do I !

most.wanted - Deka


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found image washed -

 

[Jerome Marot]

most.wanted - Deka​

I don't know what this is, but it is great.

 

[Mark Hampton]

I don't know what this is, but it is great.

Jerome,

thanks for the feedback - its appreciated.

cheers

 

[Mark Hampton]

Mark,

Shakespeare hints at the homonymic quality of the word, as in referring to a country doctor.

What on earth are those stickers about? Never heard of either the bru or the Scottish understanding of "Fanny", which to most of us is what you sit on.

Asher

The advert goes on the back of a car - Fanny on Board - a fanny is also in Scottish an idiot - you fanny ... dinny be such a fanny . so the real issue I have is why the fec are woman's genitals related to stupidity.

**** is a courser term for fanny over here - the C word. of course a Company can play with this in advertising - but companies are exploitative bastards. they are supposed to be edgie when in reality they just pretending for marketing purposes.

the drink btw is full of ****.... but we celebrate it's shitness.... ahh scotland

 

[Mark Hampton]

I don't know what this is, but it is great.

Jerome,

it was an advert for a band - most wanted - i took it home and washed it in a washing machine... i then drew on it... then i photographed it and put the 50 most wanted woman in america on it from the fbi website - then i gave it a binary quote - from G Bush - you ken the one about loaded guns and mushroom clouds.

that should clear up what it is !

cheers

 

[Mark Hampton]

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[Mark Hampton]

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Pow.pow.Pow - Deka
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[Mark Hampton]

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Pow.pow.Pow - Deka
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funny one pow.pow.pow - have no idea how it fits in - other than its about stupid ideas ! or is it.

Wile. e .coyote. - Deka


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here i have taken a landscape from a film Wile e coyote - i paused the film when there were no protagonists and waited for 15mins until the screen went dark - i then made the image - its one of several hundred.

 

[Asher Kelman]

most.wanted - Deka

found image - washed


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Mark,

Now this I like! The idea that it went into a washing machine and then you worked on it provides such a transformation that it appears to me separated from the original by deconstructive chance and artistry. (Whether or not you would be trespassing in another case, if this was from an artists work you photographed, for example, would be a matter for a separate evaluation and consideration). However, from the origins you give, I don't think there's an element of thievery here.

I have a principal not to remove bread from someone else's table! so I don't support stealing. However, starving families have a right to food. So, when desperate, might just have to take some when there's no other choice. At that time, and at that time only, the fabric of society is already broken and their basic rights as human beings qualify them for that food.

This reasoning does not apply in our society to creating art. There's no reason why one cannot get permission or license a work or do the needed work on one's own. I agree, BTW, that billboard advertisements are less of an issue than art for sale in a gallery.

Asher

 

[Mark Hampton]

most.wanted - Deka

found image - washed


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Mark,

Now this I like! The idea that it went into a washing machine and then you worked on it provides such a transformation that it appears to me separated from the original by deconstructive chance and artistry. (Whether or not you would be trespassing in another case, if this was from an artists work you photographed, for example, would be a matter for a separate evaluation and consideration). However, from the origins you give, I don't think there's an element of thievery here.

I have a principal not to remove bread from someone else's table! so I don't support stealing. However, starving families have a right to food. So, when desperate, might just have to take some when there's no other choice. At that time, and at that time only, the fabric of society is already broken and their basic rights as human beings qualify them for that food.

This reasoning does not apply in our society to creating art. There's no reason why one cannot get permission or license a work or do the needed work on one's own. I agree, BTW, that billboard advertisements are less of an issue than art for sale in a gallery.

Asher

Asher,

thanks for the positive thoughts on the work you made by reading it - what's not to like on the whole thread - each of the works have elements that can be enjoyed - they are thought through and resolved.

all of them take from other sources and make new connections - as a photographer - you capture an image of things you didn't make / you don't own - is this true?

how is any landscape any different from the Wile. e .coyote. work?

its a strange thing to think that I may be taking food off Barrs or disney table. let the bastards starve - they may start paying tax !

 

[Asher Kelman]

Asher,

thanks for the positive thoughts on the work you made by reading it - what's not to like on the whole thread - each of the works have elements that can be enjoyed - they are thought through and resolved.

Yes, the artistry is well worth the effort! Rewarding indeed!

all of them take from other sources and make new connections - as a photographer - you capture an image of things you didn't make / you don't own - is this true?

I have always thought of the photographer as a hunter. However, we can choose targets that won't be damaged by our actions. Disney Hall can withstand a lifetime of thousands of photographs each and every day. A lone artist's work, however, may not be that resilient! Just let's "be kind to the other little people in the tour bus"!!!

Asher

 

[Ben Rubinstein]

I love Irn Bru, miss it a lot out here

 

[Shawn Kearney]

I appropriated this graphic from HR Block to represent fallacious appeal to authority, the exact opposite of what the advertisement had intended

 

[Asher Kelman]

I appropriated this graphic from HR Block to represent fallacious appeal to authority, the exact opposite of what the advertisement had intended

Shawn,

HR block did provide a Macdonaldization of tax returns, making deductions available for ordinary folk who had never met tax accountants. So I don't follow the "fallacious appeal to authority" but I'm not saying you're wrong, rather I'd like it to be explained more.

Asher

 

[Shawn Kearney]

HR Block says that it has Experience
HR Block says that Experience is Trustworthy
Therefore, HR block is trustworthy

This is fallacious because, while HR Block knows everything about it's experience - it is an expert on itself -HR Block is not an expert on trustworthiness.

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When removing HR Block from the statement, it becomes absurd. Experience and trust are not mutually inclusive. Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have "experience", does this explicitly mean that both or either men are trustworthy? Perhaps Obama should be re-elected for no other reason that he, and not Romney, has experience of being president. Rupert Murdoch used his experience to rip people off. Should people have trusted him? A crack addict may have experience stealing, should you trust this crack addict with your camera bag?

But it is important to note this is not a statement about HR Block, but rather fallacious appeal to authority as a concept. I only included that information in light of the discussion. In fact I do trust HR Block every year with my taxes, but maybe I should consider them for child care, too.

 

[Asher Kelman]

"HR Block says that it has Experience
HR Block says that Experience is Trustworthy
Therefore, HR block is trustworthy"

This is fallacious because, while HR Block knows everything about it's experience - it is an expert on itself -HR Block is not an expert on trustworthiness.

Shawn,

I have tried to find the source of these statements. Is this a real quote or your well-reasoned reading of their artwork,

"TRUST

EXPERIENCE"

that could mean, we say you can trust experience or perhaps should trust experience, therefore trust us! Or the artwork might be read as,

HERE ARE THE KEY PROPERTIES OF H&R BLOCH:

TRUST & EXPERIENCE.

What I did discover on the way is how pervasive the company is with 3.3 billion US dollars in annual revenue. So I thought what about corporate giving back to the community. I found this.

"The H&R Block Foundation: thoughtful, innovative, responsible philanthropy at the local level" Source

Now what on earth do they mean by "responsible" philanthropy? Sounds like they are arguing some point that they feel strongly about. Well I noticed that their contribution of $1 million is paltry compared to their cash flow!



"Purpose: To be the most trusted, state-of-the-art tax preparation experience at a great price for everyone." Source


Here they do not presume to be "the most trusted", just that's there alleged purpose. Of course, this is still nonsense. The purpose is to make money, LOL! The stratagem is to draw folk in to get to charge them for helping prepare tax returns.


Asher

 

[Mark Hampton]

"HR Block says that it has Experience
HR Block says that Experience is Trustworthy
Therefore, HR block is trustworthy"



Shawn,

I have tried to find the source of these statements.

what I did discover on the way is how pervasive the company is with 3.3 billion US dollars in annual revenue. So I thought what about corporate giving back to the community. I found this.

"The H&R Block Foundation: thoughtful, innovative, responsible philanthropy at the local level"

Now what on earth do they mean by "responsible" philanthropy? Sounds like they are arguing some point that they feel strongly about. Well I noticed that their contribution of $1 million is paltry compared to their cash flow!



"Purpose
To be the most trusted, state-of-the-art tax preparation experience at a great price for everyone." Source


Here they do not presume to be "the most trusted", just that's there alleged purpose. Of course, this is still nonsense. The purpose is to make money, LOL! The stratagem is to draw folk in to get tp charge them for helping prepare tax returns.

Asher

Nice work shawn - I think i get where its coming fae. its a welcome addition to the thread. of course any corporate body (sic) will involve a lying shower of cunts. as asher points out in a cleaner way !

 

[Shawn Kearney]

"HR Block says that it has Experience
HR Block says that Experience is Trustworthy
Therefore, HR block is trustworthy"



Shawn,

I have tried to find the source of these statements. Is this a real quote or your well-reasoned reading of their artwork,

"TRUST

EXPERIENCE"

Yes. That's my analysis of this advertisement. I believe that they were trying to parallel trust and experience. It is based around the example at this article on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Though my analysis may be more fitting to non squinter.

The whole of the advert reads:

TRUST EXPERIENCE
HR BLOCK

When I read that, I read it as "HR Block says that you can trust experience, they wouldn't be saying that unless they had experience, therefor HR Block is saying that experience is what makes them trustworthy."

By removing the authority figure from the image, "Trust Experience" looses context to who has experience, it becomes a kind of absurd blanket statement, implying that one should *always* trust experience.

 

[Asher Kelman]

Yes. That's my analysis of this advertisement. I believe that they were trying to parallel trust and experience. It is based around the example at this article on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Though my analysis may be more fitting to non squinter.

The whole of the advert reads:

TRUST EXPERIENCE
HR BLOCK

When I read that, I read it as "HR Block says that you can trust experience, they wouldn't be saying that unless they had experience, therefor HR Block is saying that experience is what makes them trustworthy."

By removing the authority figure from the image, "Trust Experience" looses context to who has experience, it becomes a kind of absurd blanket statement, implying that one should *always* trust experience.

Got it all now and you are right! Thanks Shawn for the refreshing lesson in false proofs.

Asher

 

[Mark Hampton]

this is better here i think !

Ren.Alph.Lau (remix) - Deka​

enjoy !

 

[Asher Kelman]

this is better here i think !enjoy !

Ren.Alph.Lau (remix) - Deka​

Excellent idea, Mark and well done!


Asher

 

[Mark Hampton]

Ren.Alph.Lau (remix) - Deka​

Excellent idea, Mark and well done!


Asher

thanks asher - i think the setters really help show off the cloths to thier target market !

 

[Mark Hampton]

Now.then.Now - Deka





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[Asher Kelman]

Now.then.Now - Deka





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Mark,

What's the provenance? We need to see the original don't we?

Asher

 

[Michael_Stones]

Now.then.Now - Deka




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The individual depicted is Sir Jimmy Saville (born 31 October 1926, died 29 October 2011), a former disk jockey and BBC personality. An investigation by Scotland Yard is just now underway into allegations of sexual assaults against at least five underage girls aged 12 and older. These women are now in their 50s. BBC production staff apparently attest that Saville's behavior was an "open secret" at the time of the alleged assaults. The allegations were part of a program aired by a rival television network.

Mike

 

[Murray Foote]

in another thread I posted the Fanny advert from Irn Bru (asher moved it to a safe place I belive) - the advert has been banned from tv in scotland because people complained about the contents. It was an interesting play on double meanings of words. In scotland a fanny is also a term used to describe a vagina.

I had a great aunt Fanny. She was a matron at a field hospital in Egypt for the wounded of Gallipoli during the first world war and she never married. I believe she was something of a martinet. When she died in 1965, it was in her own small private hospital in Auckland which she ran like a military institution.

Never heard of ... the Scottish understanding of "Fanny", which to most of us is what you sit on.Asher

In Australia and New Zealand, a fanny is a vagina (as for Scotland), not something you sit on, which is your arse. No equation of fanny with stupidity, though.