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Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II (Impressions)

Hello,

Having the inclination to try something completely different, I have gradually been replacing my workhorse 28-300L with separate, smaller and mostly fixed-focal length lenses. The last gap that needed to be filled after selling it, was at the telephoto end. I was using it mostly in the 200mm range, and having both the 50L and the 100 Macro, neither of which any 70-200 zoom could ever touch, I opted to go for the (universally loved, and almost universally non-used) EF 200mm f/2.8L II.

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I had just gotten rid of one big white lens, and was not about to replace it with another (70-200/2.8L) and for my type of shooting an f/4 lens won't cut it, otherwise the highly acclaimed 70-200/4L IS would do nicely.

I am merely a hobbyist, and could thus afford to make the "quirky" decision to let go of a technical marvel like the 28-300L and "replace" it with the simplest, cheapest L lens with no IS.

This is very old in the current EF range (only a minor update since 1991 regarding the lens hood). I find it very well built, with an outer barrel consisting mostly of metal, and in all respects very much like the 135L or the 16-35L. It is also surprisingly compact - it looks exactly like a 16-35L, with an added 4cm or so of length. It seems as if they barely managed to fit the large front element into this form factor! This lens is not built like the 28-300L (in my opinion, basically no lens is) but is, nevertheless, a joy to hold, and very balanced on my 1D Mk II N camera. The supplied hood is surprisingly large in relation to lens size - truly massive! Without it, it's a compact and discreet lens ideal for street photography (one of the reasons I let the big white lens go). With the hood, it looks like a much larger Nikon 300mm (because it's black). This lens is very flare-resistant in the first place, so I don't know why the "paranoia" with the huge hood!

I received this lens earlier this week, and since I am presenting a training course to a very full class, I have not had time to take any decent photographs apart from quick test shots. But from what I see, I draw the conclusion that published MTF charts really do not tell the full story. Sure, the lens has a great MTF, but to my eye, it equals, or beats, the performance of the 100mm Macro wide open.

It is extremely... no, stupendously sharp, and in the toughest circumstances, such as a small white object in bright sunlight, shot wide open, I have not seen a stitch of chromatic aberration. Only now do I realise how much better the prime is than the 70-200/2.8L wide open, and no matter how much I stopped the 28-300L down, it couldn't touch this lens' performance at f/2.8 - in any respect.

So... I started this thread to hopefully post more informative images etc later on, but I wanted to share my initial impressions. 200mm is such an unpopular focal length for fixed lenses, and I had hoped that I did not make a mistake in going for this lens.

Perhaps only time will tell, but so far, the optics have been worth it! I am going to acquire a 1.4x extender for it soon, getting me back to 300mm (though, to be honest, after about 200mm, you usually need all the mm you can get, and my 800mm does just fine there :). But having a compact 300mm/4 handy will have its virtues.

I do miss Image Stabilisation in low light though! But so far, it seems a small price to pay. If I were a working pro, of course I'd also have a 70-200, because it certainly will allow you to frame the shot quicker. But for ultimate quality, not to mention a nice lens to walk around with, the 200/2.8L II is great, and I would recommend it to anybody whose style allows them to invest a bit more time in their shots. It is superb.

But, alas, this is all based on a bit of messing around with it. I will update this thread with my relevant experiences. Does anybody else here use this lens? This is like the mini-300/2.8L everybody is looking for. I will probably always shoot this lens wide open!
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
"This is not a good post" my wife firmy told my ear as she leaned over to see what I was reading! No! Not another lens! Enough is enough."

Well, when you say how it behaves wide open, I am still pretty interested. I'd like to see what you have to share.

Asher
 
"This is not a good post" my wife firmy told my ear as she leaned over to see what I was reading! No! Not another lens! Enough is enough."

Well, when you say how it behaves wide open, I am still pretty interested. I'd like to see what you have to share.

Asher

Touché, Asher! Luckily, mine was justified in that it was funded by the sale of the other lens, and only cost half as much! (I now have no overlap in my lens range).

After this week, I am on holiday, and I hope that will provide me with ample opportunity to go and make something to share. I don't want to share boring test shots...

This lens continues a transformation in my photography which the eeevil 50L started - simpler things, done more thoughtfully. Will keep you posted!

Dawid
 
But, alas, this is all based on a bit of messing around with it. I will update this thread with my relevant experiences. Does anybody else here use this lens?

I agree with your initial impressions. It's a relatively affordable L lens (although not weather sealed) with superb optical performance ('bokeh' is also nice). Its size (and weight) is truely underwhelming, until you put the lens hood on. It stores compactly in many even modest sized bags, so it tends to always be in the bag when going out, which increases the chance of being used.

200mm is a fantastic focal length which offers many opportunities to isolate subjects from their surroundings, especially when used wide open. It also allows to compress apparent perspective which helps to create strong 'flattened' compositions. It's one of my favorite lenses to use, it somehow sparks creativity.

Bart
 

Mark Coons

New member
This lens is on my wish list. I know someone that has one of these beauties and he is very happy with it. I love my 135mm f/2L (even with an extender) so I can just imagine how happy I'd be with a lens like this. But my wife is like Asher's, always telling me I have enough lenses!!!
 
Sample shot + crop



This was a hand-held shot, and of course focus could be off with the razor-thin DOF, but have a look at the performance wide open in very harsh sunlight (mid-day on the beach). This is such an amazing lens, I am thrilled! 1.4x teleconverter does not seem to compromise optical performance whatsoever, wide open (280mm f/4) it looks basically as good as this. With the TC, I can walk around with a very lightweight kit with great performance. With the TC, this lens definitely outperforms the 28-300L at the 300mm end... Not by leaps and bounds, but, again, with a stop more light.

What a beautiful lens! I don't want to tempt anybody who already has a 70-200 to buy this, but if you are not covered on the telephoto end, I would at this stage take this + the 1.4x TC any day over a zoom.
 
Performance with TC

Hi,

This was taken wide open with the 1.4x teleconverter, sharpness is excellently maintained, and the character of the buttery-smooth bokeh does not change. I know 280mm is a bit short for birding, but the shot shows a lot of the character of the lens. I continue to be ecstatically happy with this marvellous little lens!

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Hi Dawid.

You would have to bring up one of the sub 300-mm EF lenses that I have not and do not own.

It is on my some day list.

Here is the construction diagram.
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Here is the MTF chart.
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Still looking for the 1.4x & 2.0x TC MTF charts, may have to get them out of one of my EOS EF books.
 
Some more sample images

In my earlier posts I promised that I would update this thread with additional sample images, etc. As I get to know the EF 200mm f/2.8L, I am coming more and more to the conclusion that this is the best lens I have ever used over a prolonged period of time. In my opinion, it is just that touch better than the EF 135/2.0L wide open, and (I never thought it to be possible but) it is superior, in my opinion, to the EF 100/2.8 Macro.

Sure, the huge 300/2.8L is better, but I don't own one! This lens is small, light, and rather discreet (as teles go) and focuses closer.

I (rather unusually) used to use the 100/2.8 as walk-around lens, and over the past couple of months, I have used this 200mm in much the same way. This lens, coupled with the weak AA filter of the 1D Mk II N, renders images with the bursting crispness at a per-pixel level that makes me fully understand why some of the first reviews of the 1Ds MkIII to appear on the net were shot with this lens - every last pixel of my camera's sensor is flooded with hopelessly much more detail than what it could record.

I would like to post a sample of the performance I am consistently achieving with this lens, purposefully shot almost directly into the sun (just out of the frame to the right) to try to coax the lens to flare, or produce chromatic aberration (fringing) around the boundaries of the branches / flowers, as well as the strong Ultraviolet reflection usually present with sunlit flowers.

Shot wide open (f/2.8) to RAW (@ISO 100), processed in Apple Aperture with some sharpening:

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Two (rather large, sorry) 100% crops follow:

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and

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DOF is of course quite narrow at this range, but enough is in focus to appreciate the phenomenal performance (in my opinion) this lens delivers. You will also go blind trying to make this lens flare
by shooting into the sun!

All of this is remarkable considering that this is the cheapest L lens. You know, more and more I am taking a great interest in the prospect of a Leica rangefinder for the type of photography I do (apart from the Macro) - but there are certain areas where a Canon 1-series DSLR simply excels, and I can't think of a better way for it to do so than with a lens like this attached.
 

Kim Fullbrook

New member
I've used the optically-identical Mark 1 version of this lens since the mid 90s and it always delivers stunning sharpness, colour and general clarity. With the 1.4x converter the results are still superb and although initially I had misgivings about using any converter, after extensive use I've never felt the need to buy a "proper" 300mm.
The only problem with my lens has been flare due to the less-than-substantial built-in hood when pointing the lens in the general direction of the sun and presumably the Mark 2 version with its larger hood deals with this.
 

Trevor Sowers

New member
Wow

I bought this lens because I needed a 200mm lens and didn't like the size of the 70-200 2.8 and the f4 version is too slow for my needs. This lens makes images that make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. The lens has a very good feel to it and I find myself using the manual focus quite a bit due to how easily it focuses. I have absolutely no regrets buying this lens.
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Hi Tevor,

The problem is that you need a link to your public folder or some other server so thaqt the image can be served here. You URL has to end with.jpg or .png

Try again!

Also can you put the photographer information on the lower border or margin. I like your whole series of pictures especially the birds and berries!

Thanks for sharing!

Asher
 

Trevor Sowers

New member
200 2.8 Update

I just love this lens and can't stop looking for uses for it. Anyone who thinks that a 200 prime is what they want should run (not walk) to their nearest store and buy one.

Now I need to find other lenses that will make me as happy and I am having a hard time. I think the 85 1.8 and the 400 5.6 are a couple that are in my future. I think the 85 will give me close to the same results at a very low price and the 400 should give me equal quality. Anyone with personal experience please feel free to comment.


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Ironically, although I started this thread, I sold my whole Canon system, but the lens that I miss the most must be the 200/2.8L - it is simply faultless, and also surprisingly compact as Canon tele lenses go.

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All shot on EOS 1D MkII N
 

Daniel Buck

New member
I've rented toe 200/2.8 a few times, and I like the lens! However, the 135/2.0 is a much better fit for me, as the 200 seemed to usually be a bit to long for what I needed. And when I needed a long lens, the 200 wasn't usually long enough.
 

Mike Shimwell

New member
Ironically, although I started this thread, I sold my whole Canon system, but the lens that I miss the most must be the 200/2.8L - it is simply faultless, and also surprisingly compact as Canon tele lenses go.

David, did you return entirely to film? I'm interested in what you are using now and how it compares for you in terms of experience in use and output.

Cheers

Mike
 
David, did you return entirely to film? I'm interested in what you are using now and how it compares for you in terms of experience in use and output.

Mike, yes, I have returned entirely to film (or, shall I say, moved entirely to film, since there was never a time in my photographic life when I did not use a digital camera.

Nice as DSLRs are, I couldn't stand the dinky viewfinder of the EOS 1D / 1Ds MkII anymore, and once I discovered the superiority of incident light metering, I was using the camera all-manual anyway. Furthermore, the lens that lived on my camera (the amazing EF 50mm f/1.2L) couldn't autofocus worth anything (and this on the world's best AF camera body at the time), so I always used it manual-focus in anyway. And lastly, I prefer black and white, usually with a bit of toning.

So, I though, why not do it properly? I am now shooting black + white film 90% of the time, and with a couple of different cameras, none of which use batteries:

  • For 35mm, using Oympus OM series (OM-1n and a couple of lenses) - no other 35mm SLR has a viewfinder which even closely compares, yet it's also the smallest 35mm SLR ever, makes a Canon 350D look like a big brick. The lenses are superb.
  • For where it really counts, I am using a Mamiya RB67. Anybody who thinks any DSLR comes close to a 6x7cm negative is not printing in the darkroom or scanning poorly. The lenses are also amazing (unfortunately, a little slow at f/4 and slower).
  • For Panorama, I pickup up a Linhof Technorama 617S very cheaply, just for that visceral feeling of looking at a 6x17cm slide on a lightbox, and it scans nicely to 120MP on even an Epson V700 flatbed (after some fiddling with the scaner, I might add)

Most importantly, I actually stopped caring about 'pixel-peeping' - if it looks good on a 9x12inch print, it's good to me. It doesn't matter that when I shoot FP4 on my Mamiya, that no DSLR could ever compare, or when I shoot ISO3200 B&W in the Olympus, that a 2MP P&S has more resolution and less grain. It's all about the image, and enjoying the process of creating the image in the dark room. I don't want to take this post off-topic too much (to steal the fabulous EF 200mm f/2.8L's glory) but I will post some samples in another thread.
 
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Mike Shimwell

New member
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Mike, yes, I have returned entirely to film (or, shall I say, moved entirely to film, since there was never a time in my photographic life when I did not use a digital camera.

Excellent, a strong choice in today's world.

Nice as DSLRs are, I couldn't stand the dinky viewfinder of the EOS 1D / 1Ds MkII anymore, and once I discovered the superiority of incident light metering, I was using the camera all-manual anyway. Furthermore, the lens that lived on my camera (the amazing EF 50mm f/1.2L) couldn't autofocus worth anything (and this on the world's best AF camera body at the time), so I always used it manual-focus in anyway. And lastly, I prefer black and white, usually with a bit of toning.

As much as I like the vf of the 1Ds3, the Ikon is still a better way to see the world for 35 and 50 focal lengths. I've not really had the af difficulties that others have, but then I've not used the 50 1.2 and the 1.4 is OK

So, I though, why not do it properly? I am now shooting black + white film 90% of the time, and with a couple of different cameras, none of which use batteries:

  • For 35mm, using Oympus OM series (OM-1n and a couple of lenses) - no other 35mm SLR has a viewfinder which even closely compares, yet it's also the smallest 35mm SLR ever, makes a Canon 350D look like a big brick. The lenses are superb.
  • For where it really counts, I am using a Mamiya RB67. Anybody who thinks any DSLR comes close to a 6x7cm negative is not printing in the darkroom or scanning poorly. The lenses are also amazing (unfortunately, a little slow at f/4 and slower).
  • For Panorama, I pickup up a Linhof Technorama 617S very cheaply, just for that visceral feeling of looking at a 6x17cm slide on a lightbox, and it scans nicely to 120MP on even an Epson V700 flatbed (after some fiddling with the scaner, I might add)

Most importantly, I actually stopped caring about 'pixel-peeping' - if it looks good on a 9x12inch print, it's good to me. It doesn't matter that when I shoot FP4 on my Mamiya, that no DSLR could ever compare, or when I shoot ISO3200 B&W in the Olympus, that a 2MP P&S has more resolution and less grain. It's all about the image, and enjoying the process of creating the image in the dark room. I don't want to take this post off-topic too much (to steal the fabulous EF 200mm f/2.8L's glory) but I will post some samples in another thread.


I remain intrigued by the comparison between 6 by 7 and dslr. I increasingly use the 1Ds3 like a mf camera in any case (except when I nshoot above my head using live view:)) so it is directly comparable really. I hvaen't yet convinced myself to make the big switch, though I get tempted fairly regularly I usually fail to carry it through. Yet, I'm shooting more film now than digital...

Looking forward to your alternative thread.

Mike
 
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