Cows

[Cem_Usakligil]

Well, these animals are not so wild at all but I didn't know where else to put them. Genuine Dutch cows from this evening.

 

[Asher Kelman]

Well, these animals are not so wild at all but I didn't know where else to put them. Genuine Dutch cows from this evening.

Yes, they belong! I like the subject. The pattens are so "modern". The last one in the top half makes a nice panorama.

Asher

BTW, do all cows get tags like that. Is this for tracking any infections like mad cow disease?

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Thanks Asher.

..BTW, do all cows get tags like that. Is this for tracking any infections like mad cow disease?

Yes, all cows are tagged for tracking and tracing. For disease prevention and the like.

 

[Asher Kelman]

Thanks Asher.


Yes, all cows are tagged for tracking and tracing. For disease prevention and the like.

That's interesting! What a good idea. Terrible thing with face recognition, I can see getting a printout of everyone's personal history too, LOL!

I like the idea of the lightweight f4.0 lens. Do you feel that there's a gap between this and the latest 70-200 2.8L IS II in the optical quality?

Asher

P.S. I'd love to see you write up here the method and data in choosing your lens using Bart's system.

 

[Mike Shimwell]

Cem

Number 3, both abstract and amusing at the same time.

Hope you're well and enjoying the 70-200. I've still got mine lying around, but no body at the moment!

Asher, it's a cracking lens and a sensible size and weight.

Mike

Ash

 

[Jerome Marot]

Genuine Dutch cows from this evening.

Nope. This one (second picture) is a Belgian cow, not Dutch (B and not NL on the ear label).

I like cows. On pictures and in the field. 2 and 3 are nice portraits, they render the typical attitude of cows very well.

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Jerome,

Nope. This one (second picture) is a Belgian cow, not Dutch (B and not NL on the ear label).

You have spotted the red herring I have placed there, well done. When I wrote "genuine Dutch cows", I was generally referring to the fact that the majority of cows in the Netherlands are of a specific breed (Holstein-Friesian cattle) with the typical black and white coat. Originally based on the Dutch Friesian cattle, they have been bred and perfected in USA and have been re-introduced to NL in the 20th century and have become the dominant population since then. Nevertheless, Any Dutch person seeing these cows on green pastures would immediately think of them as being "our Dutch cows", even if they are in an another continent all together. The "Belgian" cow in the picture is of the same breed and it belonged to a Dutch herd along with her Dutch colleagues. So I hope that I can be allowed to have some literary freedom here.

...I like cows. On pictures and in the field. 2 and 3 are nice portraits, they render the typical attitude of cows very well.

Thanks, appreciated.

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Mike,

Cem

Number 3, both abstract and amusing at the same time.

Hope you're well and enjoying the 70-200. I've still got mine lying around, but no body at the moment!

Asher, it's a cracking lens and a sensible size and weight.

Mike

Thanks for chiming in. I have had this lens for a long time and also its f2.8 IS sibling. They are cracking lenses both, but the f4 is really portable. Asher has that one as well, IIRC.

 

[Jerome Marot]

When I wrote "genuine Dutch cows", I was generally referring to the fact that the majority of cows in the Netherlands are of a specific breed (Holstein-Friesian cattle) with the typical black and white coat. Originally based on the Dutch Friesian cattle, they have been bred and perfected in USA and have been re-introduced to NL in the 20th century and have become the dominant population since then. Nevertheless, Any Dutch person seeing these cows on green pastures would immediately think of them as being "our Dutch cows", even if they are in an another continent all together.

I know from experience that Dutch people believe that all black and white cows originate from the Netherlands, so you might imagine how surprised they were when I invited them to the Louvre museum, department of Egyptology. They have a model of a farm there, 5000 years old (the Egyptian kept those in their tombs) with cows delightfully painted black and white. This color is older than most people think.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have a photograph of the model, so allow me to post some Bavarian cows instead:

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Edit: I don't have a picture, but wikidemia has some:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scene_of_work_model_ancient_Egypt_Louvre.JPG

and even a birthing cow!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AncientEgyptianFigurines-BirthingCow-ROM.png

 

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Nope. This one (second picture) is a Belgian cow, not Dutch (B and not NL on the ear label).

Hi Jerome,

In a passport sense you are correct (the cow was born a few kilometers further south across the Dutch/Belgian border), but I'm sure Cem called it Dutch because it is one of the older Dutch breeds (originated from the Friesian-Holland breeding line), and is the most common (75%) breed of all 15 cow breeds in the Dutch agricultural landscape. The breed has been very successful as a worldwide 'export product' as well (because it produced both milk and meat), and is the basis for all Frisian-Holland and Holstein populations wordwide.

The current breed is a mix between the original Friesian-Dutch line and a re-imported Holstein line from the USA, is specialized as a dairy breed, and they produce huge amounts (7000 Kg per year) of fat rich milk.

I know from experience that Dutch people believe that all black and white cows originate from the Netherlands, ...

You've been meeting the wrong Dutch people ... ;-), or are jumping to the wrong conclusion.

Cheers,
Bart

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Jerome,

....Unfortunately, I don't think I have a photograph of the model, so allow me to post some Bavarian cows instead:

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A lovely picture, thanks for sharing. I like the fresh greens of the early morning (?) set against the cool blue of the horizon and the sky. And the positioning of the two animals around the tree.

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Asher,

...I like the idea of the lightweight f4.0 lens. Do you feel that there's a gap between this and the latest 70-200 2.8L IS II in the optical quality?

P.S. I'd love to see you write up here the method and data in choosing your lens using Bart's system.

I doubt that there is a distinct gap of image quality between the f4 IS and the f2.8 IS Mk II. According to Bart's resolution test target, my f4 reaches the limiting resolution of Nyquist frequency easily. The f2.8 Mk II would be delivering useful info up until that limit, within the context of my camera sensor-lens-raw converter chain.

For a comparison of these two lenses, see these links. Open them both, set next to each other and go. It shows that f4 is equally good as the f2.8.

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zproducts/canon70-200f4is/ff/tloader.htm
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/zproducts/canon70-200f28lis2/ff/tloader.htm

I will see if I can write a short description of the test method, if I can make the time for it.

 

[Kathy Rappaport]

They look just like the Cows in Vermont at Ben and Jerry's Headquarters.

Makes me long for some good Dutch Gouda or Some Vermont Ice Cream or Cheddar.

Nice, Cem!

 

[Mike Shimwell]

Hay Kathy, nice to hear from you

Mike

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hay Kathy, nice to hear from you

Mike

Yes indeed, nice to hear from you Kathy!

 

[Kathy Rappaport]

I lurk because I can. I don't post much. I asked for a private place to post but it's not here yet.

I have a lot going on. I just finished a book on Breast Cancer Survivors and their journey. I will share it here soon.

 

[Cem_Usakligil]

Hi Asher,

..P.S. I'd love to see you write up here the method and data in choosing your lens using Bart's system.

It took a while, but I have just done that as promised. Please read the story here.