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Jerome Marot

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There were demonstrations about climate change all over Germany yesterday. The square "Königsplatz" was filled with 40000 people.
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
This is encouraging. How strong is it and is it limited to liberal-“socialist leaning” parties or political thought?

What do we know so far and how does it connect to anti-war and anti-globalist movements?

Jerome, are there any practical ways of using this indignation as an engine for sustained change?

Asher
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Why Friday?

Is this like Friday prayers, the day when outrace spills into the streets in the Muslim Countries!

Asher
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
Why Friday?
It was started as a series of school strikes on Fridays.

This is encouraging. How strong is it and is it limited to liberal-“socialist leaning” parties or political thought?
That is a trick question when supporting any kind of movement against climate change automatically makes one a "leftist" in the eyes of the right.

What do we know so far and how does it connect to anti-war and anti-globalist movements?
I am not sure I understand that question.

Jerome, are there any practical ways of using this indignation as an engine for sustained change?
At present, there are discussions in Germany about a "climate packet". Part of the movement is about increasing the size of this "packet", for example by stopping coal power plants as in this poster:

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It is a play on the words "Kohl" (Cabbage) and "Kohle" (Coal)...
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
It was started as a series of school strikes on Fridays.
Presumably “Greta of Sweden” inspired?


That is a trick question when supporting any kind of movement against climate change automatically makes one a "leftist" in the eyes of the right.
I am familiar with diverse movements for social and political change “supporting” progressive agendas to mutually swell presence and increase their social footprint.

You commented, “I am not sure I understand that question.”

Well, assemblies that match in solidarity with one advertised theme, can easily include those with ant-war and anti-nuclear, anti-GMO agendas. In the extreme, decades ago it might attract Baader-Meinhoff” or other extreme groups.

At present, there are discussions in Germany about a "climate packet". Part of the movement is about increasing the size of this "packet", for example by stopping coal power plants as in this poster:
That’s great news indeed, Jerome. Thanks for enlightening us!

Now is there some measure of sinificence developed for counting the “worth” or “effectiveness” or such interventions on climate change. Is it measured
  • in degrees Celsius limitation of temperature rise globally by such a Target date 2050
  • In some carbon footprint unit
  • Or what?

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It is a play on the words "Kohl" (Cabbage) and "Kohle" (Coal)...
Apt! One leverages humor and the meme spreads!

Asher
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
Presumably “Greta of Sweden” inspired?
Obviously. Not that I am in favour of making a 16 years old a political figure, but that is just me.

I am familiar with diverse movements for social and political change “supporting” progressive agendas to mutually swell presence and increase their social footprint.

You commented, “I am not sure I understand that question.”

Well, assemblies that match in solidarity with one advertised theme, can easily include those with ant-war and anti-nuclear, anti-GMO agendas. In the extreme, decades ago it might attract Baader-Meinhoff” or other extreme groups.

I still do not understand what you mean. When you cite "Baader-Meinhoff", you cite an extremist group, responsible of several deaths. Political movements, left and right, attract sometimes the most unstable personalities, that is just a sad fact of human existence. If you hope the climate strike nebula will not attract unstable individuals, I think your hopes are misplaced. But what is there we can do? There is also lots of space for unstable personalities at the far right of the political spectrum, BTW, and these have become more active as well.

It is a nice planet with a quite wonderful ecosystem. Neither you and I are likely to experience its demise in our lifetimes. Does it means we should ignore a problem that becomes more obvious every year? I don't think so.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Obviously. Not that I am in favour of making a 16 years old a political figure, but that is just me.




I still do not understand what you mean. When you cite "Baader-Meinhoff", you cite an extremist group, responsible of several deaths. Political movements, left and right, attract sometimes the most unstable personalities, that is just a sad fact of human existence. If you hope the climate strike nebula will not attract unstable individuals, I think your hopes are misplaced. But what is there we can do?

It is a nice planet with a quite wonderful ecosystem. Neither you and I are likely to experience its demise in our lifetimes. Does it means we should ignore a problem that becomes more obvious every year? I don't think so.
Jerome,

Fear not, I do not hope for sudden perfection and lack of a few worms in a great apple. It’s good though that we are aware of the scant few omnipresent hooligans, nutcases and thieves!

Still, it was very disturbing to me that in the Paris event this weekend, the massive influx of free-riding self-invited extremists, (is reported to have), ruined the entire demonstration in support of the planet!

Asher
 
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