Georg R. Baumann
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Well, from what I've read, it is not looking good for a initiative that would tackle global warming in the way it is required. While I am not astonished, it is a disgrace, crime against humanity comes to mind....
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Bart_van_der_Wolf
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Well, it would propably need more than 8 countries to deal with the global issue anyway, although they do produce a large share of the pollution and they could lead the way.
Bart
Georg R. Baumann
Inactive
Yeah, it would need a global agreement... Inaction will be very "costly" not only in economical terms. ....Sickening....
Georg R. Baumann
Inactive
unsurpassed violence
1000 people injured since last night.
What are your thoughts on this outbreak of violence?
1000 people injured since last night.
What are your thoughts on this outbreak of violence?
Georg,
I posted on another thread wrt this co2 stuff. How all this nonsense originated, the politics of it, but it sort of got dismissed. Its the 'rent a mob crowd.' that you have seen in action. Very useful to get the media attention, and hence the prols. (proletariat)
<rant>
Since when can we mere mortals control sunspot activity?
Global warming and pollution are two separate issues, although linked in a few areas. They are treated as one, so that they can hop from one to the other to suit the argument of the time.
The solution to all of this is pretty obvious, but no body has the balls to implement it, even if it is necessary, and there are too many greedy bastards involved, that they would overcome him/her.
Simple experiment.
Take a box of apples, good ones. Put in one rotten apple. A week later, the apples are all rotten. Then, put in one good apple. Wait for them all to get good. Well, they all rot, then after a number of years, new trees spring up from the rotten pulp - all good apples, until..... That is the same for all living structures - corporations, countries, peoples. We are trying to solve global problems with rules that don't even work for a small village.
We are living through a period of global decay. Face up to it. There is no hero, or group of heroes to save this day - they all have too short a life span, too much vested interest, no support, until the sh1t really hits the fan....
</rant>
Best wishes,
Ray
PS - I don't think you want to hear here what I really want to say.... ;-)
I posted on another thread wrt this co2 stuff. How all this nonsense originated, the politics of it, but it sort of got dismissed. Its the 'rent a mob crowd.' that you have seen in action. Very useful to get the media attention, and hence the prols. (proletariat)
<rant>
Since when can we mere mortals control sunspot activity?
Global warming and pollution are two separate issues, although linked in a few areas. They are treated as one, so that they can hop from one to the other to suit the argument of the time.
The solution to all of this is pretty obvious, but no body has the balls to implement it, even if it is necessary, and there are too many greedy bastards involved, that they would overcome him/her.
Simple experiment.
Take a box of apples, good ones. Put in one rotten apple. A week later, the apples are all rotten. Then, put in one good apple. Wait for them all to get good. Well, they all rot, then after a number of years, new trees spring up from the rotten pulp - all good apples, until..... That is the same for all living structures - corporations, countries, peoples. We are trying to solve global problems with rules that don't even work for a small village.
We are living through a period of global decay. Face up to it. There is no hero, or group of heroes to save this day - they all have too short a life span, too much vested interest, no support, until the sh1t really hits the fan....
</rant>
Best wishes,
Ray
PS - I don't think you want to hear here what I really want to say.... ;-)
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nicolas claris
OPF Co-founder/Administrator
May I add that in the meantime, we don't speak about Irak.
Or how Ex democrate candidate Al Gore comes to help Republican President Bush Junior...
Yet another [rant] ;-)
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Georg R. Baumann
Inactive
hehehehehe
Bart_van_der_Wolf
pro member
We cannot afford to underestimate this problem
We don't need a group of heroes, besides ourselves, and we all can still make money on the way. The vested interest stuff is just shortsightedness, which kills.
I'm not saying CO2 is the only cause for global warming, and neither are solar spots, but pulling in all sorts of possible causes tends to (deliberately) make the issue harder to grasp because of its complex interactions. Fact is though that also the CO2 production took off at the start of the industrial revolution, just like global warming did (remember the J-curve or hockeystick-curve).
Let's not pretend that all that CO2 doesn't have an effect, because (like the following speaker states) "We cannot afford to underestimate this problem": http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/128
Bart
P.S. anybody know what happened to the 'promises' made during the prior G8 meeting?
We don't need a group of heroes, besides ourselves, and we all can still make money on the way. The vested interest stuff is just shortsightedness, which kills.
I'm not saying CO2 is the only cause for global warming, and neither are solar spots, but pulling in all sorts of possible causes tends to (deliberately) make the issue harder to grasp because of its complex interactions. Fact is though that also the CO2 production took off at the start of the industrial revolution, just like global warming did (remember the J-curve or hockeystick-curve).
Let's not pretend that all that CO2 doesn't have an effect, because (like the following speaker states) "We cannot afford to underestimate this problem": http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/128
Bart
P.S. anybody know what happened to the 'promises' made during the prior G8 meeting?
Georg R. Baumann
Inactive
If you are referring to Africa, yes, nothing!
Bart_van_der_Wolf
pro member
Africa indeed, sad isn't it.
Just imagine that all the money (and human life) wasted in Iraq could have solved all short/medium term (medical/food) problems in Africa, and probably a few other continents. It's a bloody shame.
Bart
nicolas claris
OPF Co-founder/Administrator
Ans some Irakees and USA and British lives as well!
Georg R. Baumann
Inactive
Well, you know personally I have given up on being sad. <grins>
27,000 children died today!
.... and yesterday, and tomorrow, and the next day, every day....
Figures are from UNICEF. since 2000 we count 65-70 million child deaths for reasons of poverty, hunger and easily preventable diseases and illnesses. That is an equivalent of the Asian Tsunami death toll of 2004, every 4 weeks, just to put a perspective on it.
And here is another perspective:
I am not sad anymore, I went from sad, to despair to anger, multiple times. The world is run by a handful of super rich whackjobs and their cooperation conglomerates.
Last year was particulary juicy for the super rich, with ever increasing interest rates if you remember. May be you read that Steve Jobs could "finally" manage to increase his poor income. - I am sure he was scraping at the bottom of the barrel already! -
At the same time the nurses here in Ireland went on strike, to demonstrate for their rights and more money, peanuts money in deed, not even enough to cover inflation ratio.
Steve Job's in the meantime increased his yearly income to +38% to a total of 640 million USD. For ONE year that is!
I have nothing against making a buck, not at all, but at the same time I think this is outrageous predator capitalism. Sickening....
The global migration of humans increases, global warming ads to that, and at the same time people vote right wing governments into power all over europe, go figure.
We've been there before, and it seems history has a way to repeat itself, again.
I excpect the worst is yet to come....
27,000 children died today!
.... and yesterday, and tomorrow, and the next day, every day....
Figures are from UNICEF. since 2000 we count 65-70 million child deaths for reasons of poverty, hunger and easily preventable diseases and illnesses. That is an equivalent of the Asian Tsunami death toll of 2004, every 4 weeks, just to put a perspective on it.
And here is another perspective:
I am not sad anymore, I went from sad, to despair to anger, multiple times. The world is run by a handful of super rich whackjobs and their cooperation conglomerates.
Last year was particulary juicy for the super rich, with ever increasing interest rates if you remember. May be you read that Steve Jobs could "finally" manage to increase his poor income. - I am sure he was scraping at the bottom of the barrel already! -
At the same time the nurses here in Ireland went on strike, to demonstrate for their rights and more money, peanuts money in deed, not even enough to cover inflation ratio.
Steve Job's in the meantime increased his yearly income to +38% to a total of 640 million USD. For ONE year that is!
I have nothing against making a buck, not at all, but at the same time I think this is outrageous predator capitalism. Sickening....
The global migration of humans increases, global warming ads to that, and at the same time people vote right wing governments into power all over europe, go figure.
We've been there before, and it seems history has a way to repeat itself, again.
I excpect the worst is yet to come....
Jeff Donovan
New member
Georg, given that China will pass the US in emissions within the next year and is not in any way interested in limiting emissions, I'm wondering how the G8 can solve this problem alone.
What's truly sad is that we have already learned these lessons and they are there for China and India to see. They simply choose to not pay the piper now and pay a much higher price down the road.
Jeff Donovan
New member
That money has already been spent in Africa over the past few decades through World Bank/IMF grants and loans and almost nothing has changed.
If you'd like to read a very good book on that subject I'd recommend The Elusive Quest For Growth by Easterly. He goes case by case and shows not only why there projects fail, but also shows that the World Banks knows they are going to fail and yet funds them anyways.
What it boils down to is this. People respond to incentives. You can throw as much money at any problem that you wish. If everyday people don't have any incentive to improve their lot, it's a waste of money.
Those incentives (the rule of law, property rights, a believe that hard work will be rewarded, etc) have to be created internally. Until they are, Africa will continue to be a backwater.