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Got socks?????

John Angulat

pro member
Shot while I was covering NYC's Columbus Day parade.
These students were queing up to march. The outfits were unremarkable in and of themselves, but I thought this view made for an interesting image.
Thoughts?

Thanks for viewing,
John

socks.jpg

My place on the web:
http://www.lightsimage.com
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
John,

Great vision. I'd perhaps look at trimming a tad from the top to start with no black skirt. Also the granite floor has a lot of texture to bring out that might have potential. Is this originally a color image. If so one can do a lot assigning the different hues of the stone to gray scale. That way one can play of the fine textural details and the shadow against the stark black white of the shoes and stockings.

Thanks for sharing,

Asher
 

John Angulat

pro member
Hi Asher,
Thanks for the comments, they're much appreciated.
I had a tough time with this one. The original, yes, was color. It's also a very tight crop of a much larger image. That constrained a lot of the editing. The image really went pixelated with any agressive tone enhancements.
You have a much better eye than I do. I see now how the image would've improved had I taken a closer look at things like the surface they were standing upon.
Thanks again,
John
 

Charlotte Thompson

Well-known member
John

I love this shot so much! I also think like Asher as far as cropping the skirts off-then you have all the legs and stockings and shoes in all directions-great composition! lovely bandw work!

Charlotte-
 

doug anderson

New member
Shot while I was covering NYC's Columbus Day parade.
These students were queing up to march. The outfits were unremarkable in and of themselves, but I thought this view made for an interesting image.
Thoughts?

Thanks for viewing,
John

socks.jpg

My place on the web:
http://www.lightsimage.com

I think the addition of a snake winding its way between the ankles would be terrific. Just kidding. I like this shot a lot.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
I remembered this image and finally rediscovered it and it's a good as I remembered. So it's worth new folk seeing too!

Asher
 
The whole image is a bit confusing....... But chop it into two, right and left just about in the middle, you have two nice shots........
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
The whole image is a bit confusing....... But chop it into two, right and left just about in the middle, you have two nice shots........


Duke,

What an amazing new way of looking at this! I never imagined it this way and now you point it out, your idea seems to add clarity. Maybe it could be a diptych?

Asher
 

Jameson Smith

New member
With John's permission I re-edited to a bit of a different rendition in attempt to produce more separation front to back and gain a more direct left third focal point.

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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
What are the consequences of the edits then?

With John's permission I re-edited to a bit of a different rendition in attempt to produce more separation front to back and gain a more direct left third focal point.



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John Angulat: Got socks ????? Edited Jameson Smith



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John Angulat: Got socks ?????
 

Nigel Allan

Member
I like the simplicity and smooth tones of the first image and actually like that there is not too much detail in the floor. I don't agree it is confusing and it reminds me of a very famous shot in a Hitchcock movie (I forget which one) where the protagonist (James Stewart?) is escaping his attackers and runs through a sea of umbrellas. Very effective.

In fact, looking at the style and the beautiful black and white conversion, this could be a still from a Hitchcock movie

Sometimes a 'sea' of something is quite a powerful dramatic and iconic image.
 

John Angulat

pro member
socks-2.jpg

John Angulat: Got socks ????? Edited Jameson Smith



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John Angulat: Got socks ?????

Jameson, thanks for having a go at a re-edit. I am pleased with the results.
The hint of clothing at the top of the original was distracting.
I'm on the fence so-to-speak regarding the tonal changes.
I see where you wanted to take it but I believe it appears a bit too harsh now.
However, that may only be a consequence of re-editing an already heavily processed image.

Asher, I'm not sure what you mean by "what are the consequences". Oftentimes your questions elude me, as you speak and think on a much higher plane than I.
Maybe I'm way off the mark, but if there are consequences, they'd be defined as a better understanding of what may make an image better. If not, I'd certainly like to understand your question better.

Nigel, I too believe there's a strangeness to the image, somewhat "Hitchcock-like" as you described.
Funny, this simple image of a bunch of socks, taken as a one-off snap while I was sitting on a curb has garnered so much discussion...
 

Ruben Alfu

New member
Hi John, great photo, a splendid demonstration that sometimes less is more. It makes me think about that technique (what´s the name?) "calling the whole by one of its parts".
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Jameson, thanks for having a go at a re-edit. I am pleased with the results.
Jameson,

I really enjoy the challenge you set up by revisiting the cropping of John's photograph, titled, "Socks". Looking at the relative emphaseses of various elements of the composition is critical to making and reading a picture whether narrative, documentary, decorative or even abstract in nature. I have liked this picture since it's introduction here and returned to it several times, wondering about its effect on me!

The hint of clothing at the top of the original was distracting.

Precisely, John,

..... and if I may say, part of the now-considered, "extraneous" you originally allowed into your picture, made the working of the picture more effective. It's not necessary, to make a picture so defined that one is perfectly clear what was there, what might be there, why and what that might mean. As one progressively removes all alternatives in meaning or feelings evoked, the options for the mind of the viewerare also decreased. That can risk extinguishing the life of the picture; a perfectly dead photograph!

Asher
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Consequences: Your picture allows a symphony of eye movement and consequent meanings!

The hint of clothing at the top of the original was distracting.

Asher, I'm not sure what you mean by "what are the consequences". Oftentimes your questions elude me, as you speak and think on a much higher plane than I.

Maybe I'm way off the mark, but if there are consequences, they'd be defined as a better understanding of what may make an image better. If not, I'd certainly like to understand your question better.


When you made all the many decisions to build your "socks" picture, there were already consequences.

What might these be? Well, there are to me several ideas in this concept. Your array of stockings are not, after all, arranged for sale in a store or against the sunset sky on a washing line! Rather these are socks on the otherwise bare legs of young girls with thighs showing, but pelvis and above removed. So there is an implicit, albeit transient, forbidden or censored element. The second figure, with no touch of further covering to her bare thighs, could imply total nakedness. O.K., so such ideas are quickly repressed as fast as they emerged, but they were there. What happens is these first notions are overwhelmed by the array of so many socks and black shoes. Now one's imagination is utterly caught up with endless possibilities, as we join the demanding movement of elements in an arc from right to left.

From here, we have another glance and we see that each set of socks is different, the eye now moves, not continuously, but stacatto, progressing in abrupt steps to interrogate each figure for relative importance. We have to re-calibrate rankings every time we move as each figure is individual and demands attention. Then we find the outliers asking for a visit from us too: The feet in the same direction and those away from this, like the pair on the right where we see the back of the calves. What different groups of friends there might be up there in the girls' minds. Now we have touched on the social consequences of the groupings.

But the socks don't have a monopoly for out inquisitive attentions; there are the shoes! So many shoes; some bright shiny reflective leather others dull black, all competing for our time and yet strengthening the clockwise arc of movement.

The consequences of altering your photograph, as you made it, is that the nature of the drama the observer can experience is changed. The initial temptation to consider this a tad erotic is pushed and even banished from the mind. Making a particular set of legs more important and clarifying the picture, can paradoxically decrease our need to engage further with exploration. Such are some of the consequences I refer to.

Asher

Now I still believe that one has to consider the relative importance of every unit of a composition and not rely on what appeared in the latent image after framing and pressing the shutter. To me, outside of work for clients in vertical photographic markets, if the picture is delivered as framed and as imaged by the camera's particular physics, the imagination of the shooter is perhaps not used to its fullest potential.
 
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Jim Galli

Member
Late to the party. I love it. I'm not even a leg man, and I love it. Beautiful tonality, and you used your head. I wouldn't change a thing.
 

John Angulat

pro member
Ruben, Jim,
Thanks very much for the compliments, they're greatly appreciated.

Asher, I need some time to absorb all your thoughts and impressions. They are not something I take lightly, nor skim through with a cursory read.
 

Jameson Smith

New member
Thanks for the compliment on the re-edit Asher, I appreciate that. I join John in saying that your section on consequences is really deep and certainly something to think hard on. If you haven't already done so, you should write a book. I could only imagine it would be an exceptionally interesting read.
 
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