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Light on a Tree Trunk: Help making this work, ideas welcome.

While on vacation last April in The Delaware Water Gap,PA.,I manged to get this shot .

While i was resting ,I kept looking at it,and after 5/10 minutes ,the sun started to shine through ,and hit parts of the tree trunk.

What i was trying to get ,was all the small details of the wood,moss,rotting bark,and the colors they projected.

After about 12 attempts to print this image,I feel something is missing...????

Even though I have gotten some positive feed back on this photograph,I'm not entirely sure that maybe ,one of you ,might be able to give me some suggestions, as to what You would do,to improve this shot..such as ..exposure,color corrections...balance..saturation,maybe even cropping.

If this was your shot ,how would you proceed..and on what media would you print it?

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Thanks
Mike
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Ranking parts of a picture that contribute to the experience you need to convey.

I wonder if a more defined focal point would help?

Mike,

Rachel, I believe, hit on the essence of the shortcomings of this image. The picture shows an old dead tree with some residual, mostly fragmented bark on its small limbs and some moss. There's no central focus where one can give attention as nothing is any more important than anything else. One is not led by lines or movement. One doesn't find anything unique by happenstance either. Still, we do have a feeling that, hidden within it is a visual delight. That's frustrating, I know! How to unlock it?

First, the facts of life for photography outside of science and law: A picture should include what is necessary to create the illusion one wishes to project. Anything less or more must alter substantially the esthetics.

Note that if one experiences this image of the dead tree trunk, there's no feeling that it would be any more, (or any less), satisfying if it was wider or cropped. Why?

I think the answer might be that there is nothing that has been made to be more important or eye catching. Everything has been faithfully imaged with the same rank. Stuff at the center and at the periphery are shown with the same good accuracy. As one eye moves over the image, nowhere is one asked to pause for something special. Yes, the light might be interesting in real life. However, not in this muddled image.

So what might be the solution? This is a tough call since I didn't see the whole event of the light playing on the dead trunk. I think that under-exposing the trunk, (so that less would appear), might already focus attention on the illuminated portion. Next using a wider aperture would throw less important parts out of focus. I would use dodge and burn tools in PS, (or layers of brighter and darker versions with masking), to sculpt from all the structure available. Enhance those parts which might constitute your sense of the beauty or fascination of this obviously interesting but demanding subject. Hide parts which are distracting or else contribute nothing to your intent.

As I have said many times, "There's no way that the camera, on AUTO, can reliably assign relevance, according to personal wishes, to parts of a complex subject".

You might carefully frame the trunk with light from the forrest canopy playing on it. What is captured, however, includes a lot that the brain hardly notices!

Aside: It's something like how people thought of horses running with both front legs stretched out together. Reality is far more weird. None of that grace we think of, (or people used to paint), do we see photographs of a horses running. In fact when all the limbs are above the ground, they are folded in on the stomach of the animal and not stretched out as artists have drawn for centuries! That's what the camera does to us! We get a confused "truth"! All the data bombarding our brains is filtered, modulated and reformed to give us the easier approximate images we enjoy. The camera, however, is unbiased in the sense that it only knows how to record light intensity, not significance. The latter, we have to embed by using craft and artistry.

So the challenge then here, is to hide some parts of your complex tree trunk and enhance others so there is not a "uniform" layer of disorder, but rather a sense of limbs leading the eye to artifacts that are each fascinating and encourage us to explore for more.

How to Rank What's Important to You? I'd look for a similar tree trunk and sketch it quickly from different positions. What can be done in a minute will give you an idea of what might be essential. That's for this picture to be taken afresh. For this picture you have in hand, right now, print out copies in B&W and draw on then what's important and white out the rest.

I have made some abstract derivations and these I'll show soon.

I hope this is of some help,

Asher
 
Tree Trunk..

Rachel,Asher,

Thanks for your replies..

OK,I think it's beginning to sink in..

Yes,as I look at the prints again now...the image looks completely the same throughout the entire print, scanning from left to right

So,what both of you are saying is that I should have isolated parts of the image{create more of a focal point}, lightening parts that where being brightened by the rays of the sun, and darken parts, that deviate from the more important sections,giving less importance to these parts ,so the eye is led to the more important parts.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Mike
 

Rachel Foster

New member
Mike, this is an area I struggle with: How to frame, crop, and get the composition so that it draws the eye gracefully, easily, in a smooth sweep around the image.

I'm very interested to see what you come up with.
 

Mike Shimwell

New member
Mike

Another way to look at this is that there is too much subject. Asher is a great one for context (I agree), but this has no context and lots of undifferentiated subject.

I can see what attracted you, but these are hard to pull off unless you have a very clear view of what you are trying to show in my experience. Texture may work better rendered as pattern and shape as graphic design?

Mike
 
Tree Trunk...

Rachel,Mike
Thanks for your replies..

"Mike, this is an area I struggle with: How to frame, crop, and get the composition so that it draws the eye gracefully, easily, in a smooth sweep around the image."

Rachel,so how do you deal with this issue?
For me ,this is the hardest part I'm having in trying to do more with this image?


Mike,
I think your correct,I believe this image needs to cropped ,especially form the bottom,the grey ashes takes away from the image,and Its just plain dull looking.

It was suggested to me,by another forum member,that I re-shoot this image,,not sure if this is the answer,but now,that the colors are changing ,I may do just that.

I'll re-edit the current shot,and post back ,with what I did,OK?

In another thread Ken Tanaka made a very good observation about my photography"stop taking snapshots"...he is absolutely correct, in this assumption,it is a bad habit I've gotten into ,again.


Mike
 

Rachel Foster

New member
Michael, I deal with this issue by asking Asher!

Seriously, I've gotten a lot of help here. I listen to what folks say and then I look at what I did originally, what I've done after advice and study the difference. I also look at the photos others post here.

It ain't easy!
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Seek v. Snap: Sketch elements, timing, place, rank, purpose and build

Michael, ....(and anyone else who has a challenge composing a picture that's demands coming back to),

Ken Tanaka gives the shortest replies packed with focused insight and clarity. That's what you need. You have to go back armed with insight from your mistakes and reflection, armed with a new purpose.

The challenge is such a common one! Something is fascinating, beautiful, haunting or otherwise exciting. A snapshot and repeats are failures in containing anything of that. What to do? The answer is always in how you failed. Learn from it! Don't just keep shooting or point to something else and snap at that! Photographing a fallen tree is a perfect challenge. Let's not waste all the feedback we have already had on this. (If you are new to this, simply put together some common available objects and take a few snaps from different points of view and lighting. Choose the most engaging.)

Now print the picture in B&W in the center of a much larger sheet of paper and draw over it and shade what would be a composition. Get a new sheet of paper and resketch it. Get a red crayon and divide the image into geometric sections. What regions might there be of light and dark, detail and shadow. What is complete and what is suggested? Put in arcs or lines where the eye is led to move from one point of interest to another. Are there features which are remarkable and others that balance, argue or harmonize with them? If there is nothing that grabs our attention then you have no basis for a picture. There must be something that get's attention, and more than that, triggers involvement and our reaction.

Or else a pattern or something that engages,, stops us shocks, but something!

Cropping is unlikely to resolve the pictures blahness. Use this as an excercise to awaken your brain. If you just go out and snap more, without appreciating what you can and cannot do to make an image worth looking at, progress is unlikely.

First struggle with the sketch excercise I suggest. Then go to a still-life class. Make a list of the attributes Ken and others here have suggested and then see how this compares with the examples your instucter has for you. Print out copies of respected works and, yes, draw on them, marking the features, regions and interplay I outlined. You don't do that, you likely lose in this. The brain has to be woken up and the ideas of composition brought forward to be used when you look at things.

I really would love to see you actually follow through. We are not set up to teach, however, we do encourage getting this in your local community college/night school, art galleries, museums etc. I hope this nudge is helpful.

Asher
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
OPF's mission is not to teach. However, I have learned a tremendous amount here.

We all have! Dwayne Oakes shares is ideas for softening the view of nature, Nicolas Claris on sharpening, Bart his photography and insights on the limits of optical systems and calibrating the modern digital camera focus, Cem shows us his long term interest in his theme of portals and the list could go on for pages. Secrets of fashion shoots and lighting come from Steve Eastwood, Frank Doorhoff and Ben Kanarek. Ken separates the "snap" and "prettiness" from the more difficult and worthy photograph that represents us and so we all learn.

Asher
 
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Tree Log

Rachel,Asher,

Thanks for your patience, with this..

OK,I'll start doing my home work!!!!

I just got the book that Ken recommended,and
I'll start on that as well.

Mike
 
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