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Street Color New York Muse: Bernadette!
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Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Bump!
No one notices?
Asher
No one notices?
Asher
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Bump for me!
Jerome Marot
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How did you come to photograph Bernadette?
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
It all started with my goal of 13 LA women. So I thought why not a contrasting place too!
So I was in New York to try to find 13 muses. I discovered just about 8 so I have to return. Hopefully they won’t be all wearing masks in Central Park this winter!
Asher
So I was in New York to try to find 13 muses. I discovered just about 8 so I have to return. Hopefully they won’t be all wearing masks in Central Park this winter!
Asher
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Asher Kelman: Bryant Park
I combined many pictures I took around Bernadette at the park to stitch together this composite.
With tables, excluded near the camera, it seemed more intimate than Central Park.
Jerome Marot
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I am not entirely clear about the process of "finding 13 muses". Are these women professional models? Do they work for a fee? Or do you just wander around and show your camera to women you meet on the street? What percentage accepts the proposal? Do you ask them to sign an agreement? Do you send them pictures?
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
All the people I photograph for these series are simply woman who’s looks were magnetic to me. I introduce myself and it’s used to be, (before the Pandemic), 8 out of 10 would agree.
I have no consent signed, as in the USA one is allowed to photograph anyone in a Public Place anyway and secondly, it’s obvious they have stopped and willingly posed. I do send them copies.
If they come to my studio, consent is signed and I pay them and for travel. Sometimes I might hire them as an assistant or chaperone.
During Covid, no matter how enthusiastic folk are, only an occasional person met in public or a server in a restaurant actually turn up for a shoot. With masks in the street it’s hard to meet people in the first place!
Professional models are a mixed bunch. If one chooses carefully it’s really a great investment but it’s important and difficult to match their style to one’s ideas.
Surprisingly, inexperienced people, if selected for some unique attractiveness or sense of confidence, joy or humor tend to be the most productive collaborators, as they are never ritualistic in reproducing magazine poses.
Asher
Jerome Marot
Well-known member
Thank you for the answer. As to signed consent, you may be allowed to photograph these women, but not necessarily to publish the pictures. This has always been my understanding, but I am not a lawyer and do not know the particulars of US law anyway.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
In the USA one can indeed publish the pictures and sell them as Art, but not as porn! One can’t include them say in an article on prostitution, crime, fat people, ugliness or anything else clearly false or defamatory.
However, one can have an exhibition and make 20 ft high posters and sell prints as long as it’s considered a part of the pursuit of art and not merely intended to demote or defame anyone!
it cannot be used for commerce like selling baby formula, (Nestlé got sued for that) or other merchandise.
Asher
Jerome Marot
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Yes, I understand these to be the general principles in most western countries.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
But I know France is very different. I don’t think one is as free to photograph people or buildings and sell work as Art as allowed in the USA!
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- The right of your own image (Droit d’image) In France each individual has the exclusive right to their image and of who uses their image. Not only publishing the image but even taking the photo of someone, the photographer has to have the individuals permission under French Law.”
Jerome Marot
Well-known member
France is a bit more restrictive than other countries, although in practice jurisprudence is not as different as one would think. For the photographs of Bernadette presented here, a French judge would likely assume consent as it is obvious she knows she was being photographed.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Makes sense! Glad the French are indeed practical!