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On US 101

Martin Stephens

New member
Comments about your reaction - negative, neutral or positive are desired.

NOTE: There was no documentary intent here. These are just street/urban photographs.

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Martin Stephens: US 101
 

Martin Stephens

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And this one

And this one..

And again here, there is no documentary intention. Just a street/urban photograph.

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Martin Stephens: Building on 101
 

Bob Rogers

New member
I like the first one, but I'd like it better without the modern car. On the one hand it looks like it hasn't changed a bit since the car was new (Ford?) but on the other hand, the rust makes us aware that it has.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
My apologies. I made another mistake of a new person here. I thought this category name meant "photojournalism photography" or "street photography" or "documentary photography".

My misunderstanding. I wasn't intending them to be anything other than "street photography." I'll go back and remove them, as there was no "documentary purpose" intended.

I;m still trying to learn the distinction between so many categories of the forum. My apology.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
My apologies. I made another mistake of a new person here. I thought this category name meant "photojournalism photography" or "street photography" or "documentary photography".

My misunderstanding. I wasn't intending them to be anything other than "street photography." I'll go back and remove them, as there was no "documentary purpose" intended.

I;m still trying to learn the distinction between so many categories of the forum. My apology.

Martin,

Don't even consider removing them! I love the images, just want to know more about the project. Keep it going. This is a part of 101 that I'm not familiar with, that's all! :)

So far from stopping, continue the journey!

Asher
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Without that other car in the shot, this would be a very powerful image...it has power, mind you but it's not the same.


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Martin Stephens: US 101

Chris,

The massive surprise of that old-time rear wing is so impressive that I failed to notice the blue blob of the extra car! Yes, I'd remove/blur/desaturate the little thing, but really, it works so well as it is.

All in all this picture is impressive and pretty unique!

Asher
 

Martin Stephens

New member
The comments are always appreciated. And again, sorry for the on/off confusion!

I wasn't sure what "always this crowded?" meant. I'll try to answer if you can clarify it a bit.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
Martin,

Don't even consider removing them! I love the images, just want to know more about the project. Keep it going. This is a part of 101 that I'm not familiar with, that's all! :)

So far from stopping, continue the journey!

Asher

I picked up something you said in another thread regarding the photographer's goals. It might be appropriate for me to say that my nearly always goal in photography is just making stories. Where the writer arranges words, the photographer arranges forms.
 

Robert Watcher

Well-known member
The first image of the car, I find to be very compelling - the shapes the wonderful tonality. Yes, I would have waited a split second until the car had passed by and I may be inclined to crop it just to the left of the road sign for a more balanced composition (although the open airiness of that space to the left has an appeal as well, the more I look at it) - - - but none of that really matters, because it just works. The second image does not really work for me. Although I could see it being vital as part of a series or story about a specific location - it being a supporting image. Anyway - nice post.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
The first image of the car, I find to be very compelling - the shapes the wonderful tonality. Yes, I would have waited a split second until the car had passed by and I may be inclined to crop it just to the left of the road sign for a more balanced composition (although the open airiness of that space to the left has an appeal as well, the more I look at it) - - - but none of that really matters, because it just works. The second image does not really work for me. Although I could see it being vital as part of a series or story about a specific location - it being a supporting image. Anyway - nice post.

Thanks for detailed comment Robert - - always appreciated. I learn a lot from that kind of comment.
 

Tom dinning

Registrant*
I'll ignore the latter two and concentrate on the first for the moment.
Learn to recognise, Martin, that nothing is 'just' as you describe it. The viewer will take on their own interpretation just as you will have your own intent. The content and its placement is what creates the barrier or the bridge between the photographer and the viewer. If you keep this photo to yourself we don't give a ****, but the insant you show us our brains go into overdrive - well, some do. Others stay asleep and just say ''I like it". Lot of good that is!

Everything counts in the picture. The old car tail light, the footpath, the road, the passing car, the buildings and the sign. Even the third car in the scene has a part to play if you let it. As you saw the scene, certain things geled and a picture came to mind. You wanted to say something about what was going on inside your head. If you're not conscious of that yet, its time to be conscious. Only then will the clarity of your thoughts be transferred to the image. Forget about what catagory it might fit here. Thats a load of shite anyway. Become photographically literate. Frame it, find the right PoV, focus and wait for the right time. Thyen step back and ask yourself if you have spoken clearly.
Now the rest is up to us. Interpretation. There's a lovely story developing in my head here. Its one of 1950's America in an old, almost desolate town with a highway taking me out of here real fast. I can feel the heat of the day and hear the silence except for the tyre noise beckoning me to get moving. But I can't. This is my place. This is my car. I live in it. I'm not going anywhere. **** this place?
I'm not sure if the story is as you had described here. I do know it could have been told a little clearer or differently by choosing another PoV or another time. But thats not my business. This is your shot. I have to take it as it is.
I've enjoyed the visit. Thanks.

As for the others, the second one might need some work on my part to read between the lines. The last, well, Ive seen that story before. Its a cliche. Tell me something new.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
I'll ignore the latter two and concentrate on the first for the moment.
Learn to recognise, Martin, that nothing is 'just' as you describe it. The viewer will take on their own interpretation just as you will have your own intent. The content and its placement is what creates the barrier or the bridge between the photographer and the viewer. If you keep this photo to yourself we don't give a ****, but the insant you show us our brains go into overdrive - well, some do. Others stay asleep and just say ''I like it". Lot of good that is!

Everything counts in the picture. The old car tail light, the footpath, the road, the passing car, the buildings and the sign. Even the third car in the scene has a part to play if you let it. As you saw the scene, certain things geled and a picture came to mind. You wanted to say something about what was going on inside your head. If you're not conscious of that yet, its time to be conscious. Only then will the clarity of your thoughts be transferred to the image. Forget about what catagory it might fit here. Thats a load of shite anyway. Become photographically literate. Frame it, find the right PoV, focus and wait for the right time. Thyen step back and ask yourself if you have spoken clearly.
Now the rest is up to us. Interpretation. There's a lovely story developing in my head here. Its one of 1950's America in an old, almost desolate town with a highway taking me out of here real fast. I can feel the heat of the day and hear the silence except for the tyre noise beckoning me to get moving. But I can't. This is my place. This is my car. I live in it. I'm not going anywhere. **** this place?
I'm not sure if the story is as you had described here. I do know it could have been told a little clearer or differently by choosing another PoV or another time. But thats not my business. This is your shot. I have to take it as it is.
I've enjoyed the visit. Thanks.

As for the others, the second one might need some work on my part to read between the lines. The last, well, Ive seen that story before. Its a cliche. Tell me something new.

Thanks for the detailed comment. Yes, the viewer must always extract their own story, their own value. Sometimes their story and mine overlap a bit - that's great, but not necessary. I want to keep the photograph objective, and allow the viewers' stories to be subjective. Often this kind of photograph I make is just a metaphor for an idea that isn't possible to express objectively with a photograph. Thanks again.
 

Chris Calohan II

Well-known member
I am heading out to CA this summer and from there to WA and from there, who knows but have had it in my mind to do something similar to what you are doing. The car shot makes me go way on back to my earlier years when I used to hitchhike along 101 to get to a girlfriend's house up north of Big Sur, a bit below carmel.

Anyway, thanks for the memories.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Along US 101

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Martin Stephens: Graves

This diagonal cutting of the frame works well with the first picture. Is this one of your common elements. Check your other pictures you've not yet posted? Angles that work are great, not just angles made for "effect" like folk using HDR to the max!

Asher
 

Martin Stephens

New member
This diagonal cutting of the frame works well with the first picture. Is this one of your common elements. Check your other pictures you've not yet posted? Angles that work are great, not just angles made for "effect" like folk using HDR to the max!

Asher

I wouldn't say diagonal is common for me, but I do like strong lines as a device for organizing content. This diagonal obviously is dividing death below from life above. I do like to use strong elements of the available forms in that way.

I really don't know anything about HDR. I never found a reason to use it.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Asher,
Do you have a comment on this? Here, the fence is the dividing line between the outer church, and the less visible hidden one, on the 'lower levels.'

Martin,

I've been struggling with this even before you asked! From one point of view, it is what's there. That can be overcome by moving your taking position to exclude more of the wires which cause so much confusion. Alternatively you can claim ownership of all the wires as part of the constraints and issues of the modern church.

If you're after the second option, and that's perfectly reasonable, then one would need, IMHO, a collection of like photographs where that same disorder exists, fighting, for one example, perhaps, the simple nature of man in devotion to a caring God opposed by disruptions of industrial life.

Likely as not, you choose more beauty and clarity over "out of bounds" disorder. Then we'd have to either shoot a new picture from a better vantage point or else be prepared to "clean up" this one picture of troubling and hardly useful and excess disharmonious lines.

So what is your philosophy? Are you a "factive" shooter, where everything is as shot or are you at ease with cleaning up pictures to optimize expression of concepts that are nascent in the image but need some help in getting expressed to realize the full potential. This picture may or may not be good enough to satisfy your hopes for it, but I do think it can be substantially improved if your ethics are not offended.

Asher
 

Robert Watcher

Well-known member
Asher,
Do you have a comment on this? Here, the fence is the dividing line between the outer church, and the less visible hidden one, on the 'lower levels.'

Believe it or not, there is something about this image that visually continues to capture my attention each time I revisit. For me the dividing line of the image is the perfectly horizontal black line going across the upper third of the photograph. It is so powerful, that all of the other wires aren't even noticed and so don't cause any confusion for me.

Carrying on in the picture, I then find my eye drawn to the concrete chasm that appears compressed up against the base of the buildings - where the fence is restraining everything from falling over. However I don't see the fence as the attention grabber of the image - and so I think reading that as the title of the image, threw me off a bit. I might title it "the line" or "crossing the line" - being the black line is the focus of the image to me.

Compositionally, I find this image to be strong with the line breaking the top third and the fence and concrete breaking the bottom third of the frame. The slopes of the church roof, form into a solid base for the image - at the concrete wall. A strong vertical running from the base of the image with the stain, right up to the cross at the top of the steeple. In some ways too, it's almost like a montage of three photos stuck on top of each other.

I like the way the foliage at the base of the fence, collapses in the centre and directs the eye to the staining on the concrete wall in the middle of the frame under the church door (runoff from some event, something about to happen, maybe symbolic) - much stronger than a plain wall of grey concrete. At the least - it's not a normal pretty shot of a church - there is tension in viewing it with those elements and the ominous looking clouds. But then, I may just have a very vivid imagination this morning LOL.


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Martin Stephens

New member
Martin,



So what is your philosophy? Are you a "factive" shooter, where everything is as shot or are you at ease with cleaning up pictures to optimize expression of concepts that are nascent in the image but need some help in getting expressed to realize the full potential. This picture may or may not be good enough to satisfy your hopes for it, but I do think it can be substantially improved if your ethics are not offended.

Asher
I am an objective shooter, and what's in the frame is always the raw material that must be managed in the photograph. How to bring some order to the real objective world around me a challenge. The shooting angle was selected to make the concrete chasm align as the 'basement' of the church, and that means everything else of smaller value, like wires or poles must be utilized as best as can be done. These minor players can't be dispatched, they have their minor roles to play.

Thanks for the comments.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
. At the least - it's not a normal pretty shot of a church - there is tension in viewing it with those elements and the ominous looking clouds. But then, I may just have a very vivid imagination this morning LOL.


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Thank you. That tension is really more to the point than anything else. I hate titling photos because I don't want to set up a precondition to the viewer. So, I chose 'fence' as being benign and meaningless. And I still misled! That's ok, you got through to the real photo anyway.

The church building by itself would not be interesting to me. It's only interesting in some bigger role, not just as a building. To make that bigger role, I have to back up the camera and enlarge the scene. Bring in more players, and more symbols. As it turned out, the symbols are readily available for various pictures. Walking around a 6 block area, there are many ways to contextualize this thing into the community. This was one.

I enjoy working with those strong lines like a wire, fence, road, pole etc. For years I fought them, trying to sneak around to get a picture free of their force. Then it hit me that they were here to stay and I must go with them, not against them. Now, I embrace all these distractions as players to be managed in the scene.

Thanks for your comments.
 

Martin Stephens

New member
Asher,
One more example of the objective approach. I try not to name things when looking through the VF and just accept what is there as form.

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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
I am an objective shooter, and what's in the frame is always the raw material that must be managed in the photograph. How to bring some order to the real objective world around me a challenge. The shooting angle was selected to make the concrete chasm align as the 'basement' of the church, and that means everything else of smaller value, like wires or poles must be utilized as best as can be done. These minor players can't be dispatched, they have their minor roles to play.

Thanks for the comments.

Martin,

You asked for my comments and I posed two choices you might have made in getting to where you did with the picture. You have claimed ownership of all the marks as you say, "they have minor roles to play."

If the principal guiding motivation is the "concrete chasm" aligning with the upper visible church structure, then the boldest feature of the picture, the horizontal black line cutting through the geometric and otherwise striking tower piercing the blue sky countermands your intent as we're very much distracted.

If your intent is to be realized, I'd have managed somehow to get the picture and have the so obviously dominating black against white graphic attraction excluded.

If that eye-catching central feature of the black line transversing the white steeple is indeed an important and required feature, then your narrative is moved from "the interface between the chasm below and the white church above" to the motif of "transverse obstructions": the many wires in addition to the dominant one and the barbed wire all signify conflict and social disorder.

Although you took ownership of the so-called, "minor players", you didn't claim affinity with the concept of the "church facing a hostile landscape in these current times". So I'm perplexed.

The escape to this conundrum is your establishment of your own coding for your own photographs of this kind which we'll learn to follow. So, in this case, if your, "minor players always do some intended work" rule is valid, we should see that benefit in further work in this character.

Your job, as an artist is to make your photograph serve your purposes and express your own imagination. When you release it to the world, then we have to either understand your motifs or else just let it speak for itself. I cannot help but compare this photograph with the pristine white Baptist church here or other like white churches, as that sort of memory ofgrass roots Christian houses of worship has become iconic. So, whether we realize it or not, that's always part of our common language of references used to decode, translate and interpret new sights set before our eyes containing shapes we've ranked high in our cultural experience. The next step is to put the church behind the brutal obstructions you have overlaid and we feel the blight of the neighborhood as the most significant response to your picture!

I do like your ideas, respect your effort and the thinking that went into planning to express your imagination. I'm happier now to know how to read your picture according to your intent! Still, at the risk of being resented strongly, I'd humbly petition for more persistent ingenuity in setting up the shot to remove distractions. This could really open up your carefully embedded ideation to the ordinary untrained viewer.

Thanks for challenging me to comment on a picture I'd obviously held off touching on. Your forbearance on my confrontative approach to your significant work is appreciated. Most folk would just say, "Well that's my picture as I want it, so go **** yourself!"

Asher
 

Martin Stephens

New member
Martin,

You asked for my comments and I posed two choices you might have made in getting to where you did with the picture. You have claimed ownership of all the marks as you say, "they have minor roles to play."

If the principal guiding motivation is the "concrete chasm" aligning with the upper visible church structure, then the boldest feature of the picture, the horizontal black line cutting through the geometric and otherwise striking tower piercing the blue sky countermands your intent as we're very much distracted.

If your intent is to be realized, I'd have managed somehow to get the picture and have the so obviously dominating black against white graphic attraction excluded.

If that eye-catching central feature of the black line transversing the white steeple is indeed an important and required feature, then your narrative is moved from "the interface between the chasm below and the white church above" to the motif of "transverse obstructions": the many wires in addition to the dominant one and the barbed wire all signify conflict and social disorder.

Although you took ownership of the so-called, "minor players", you didn't claim affinity with the concept of the "church facing a hostile landscape in these current times". So I'm perplexed.

The escape to this conundrum is your establishment of your own coding for your own photographs of this kind which we'll learn to follow. So, in this case, if your, "minor players always do some intended work" rule is valid, we should see that benefit in further work in this character.

Your job, as an artist is to make your photograph serve your purposes and express your own imagination. When you release it to the world, then we have to either understand your motifs or else just let it speak for itself. I cannot help but compare this photograph with the pristine white Baptist church here, as that sort of memory of a grass roots Christian house of worship is iconic. Whether we realize it or not, that's part of our language of references used to interpret new sights set before our eyes.

I do like your picture and the thinking that went into planning to express your imagination. I'm happier now to know how to read your picture according to your intent! Still, at the risk of being resented strongly, I'd humbly petition for more persistent ingenuity in setting up the shot to remove distractions. This could really open up your carefully embedded ideation to the ordinary untrained viewer.

Thanks for challenging me to comment on a picture I'd obviously held off touching on. Your forbearance on my confrontative approach to your significant work is appreciated. Most folk would just say, "Well that's my picture as I want it, so go **** yourself!"

Asher

There's always a point where I choose to be a photographer and not a writer. Let me explain. When I exhibit this photograph to the public, there will be no explanation to read. Perhaps even no title. The photograph has to speak on it's own. I don't force feed, I suggest (as all photographers do.) Yes, there is a social commentary in this about the role of the church in society, but no, I don't try to assert with words now what that role is. I want to assert it through the photograph. Give it as much range as people who view it will allow. I have heard several interesting interpretations.

On the technique of composition - which wires, which poles, which lines, which shadows, which elements - I can only say this: it is always a compromise. Isn't life? Yes, the strong horizontal wire cutting the steeple is not optimally a part of the story, and yet, there it is. You take the bad with the good. This is the challenge of all objective photography: life is not perfect. That in and of itself, is one of the messages of objectivity. This is where I divert from the idealist, who might "erase the wire." (Or, in the first photo, erase the blue car). The shot which said the most to me, happened to have that wire in it. Let's call it a pimple, or a wart. And I say, ok, life has warts.

Your comments are always polite and I would never say ***yourself.
 
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