I seem to remember this. It’s particularly interesting in that woman are praying together.
I do not recognize the ritual. Is this Buddhist?
By chance, all these pictures show only women in prayer!
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences.
This picture is a treasure and certainly merits a place here!
I deal with it, but I come from a home where my father took a hammer and chisel to a statue work of art, to make it “mumm” or blemished so it couldn’t be used for prayer!
What's the difference between hope and pray?
If praying works I’m happy to comply
While it doesn’t I’m happy to ridicule.
With hope, oneself and the mankind is involved…
With pray, one depends of "something" whom existence has never been prooved…
Fahim,Quoting an Australian and a French gentleman responding in this this thread, I waited for someone else to provide an answer. But none was forth coming. Either from long lost missionaries, evangelicals, ' straddling the border ' folks or any one else.
I can only guess at one of the reasons; It is a simple question; but a difficult one to answer.
Made more difficult by the very limited vocabulary of the entire current Anglo-Saxon languages. They are so, so very limited.
But to get myself prepared to provide, what I believe and understand as the difference between ' hope and pray '; what do you understand by the English language term ' pray '? We could be talking of different things.
My friend Nicolas considers ' pray ' as implying dependence on ' something ' whose existence has never been proven. A fair enough definition from his pov.
But that ' something's ' has never been disproven either. One cannot say that just because it has not been proven, it cannot be. Tell Galileo..he knew all about it!!
The other contributor is happy to comply if ' praying ' works; And happy to ridicule ' praying ' ( implicit in the response ) if it doesn't ' work ' ( whatever ' work' is meant by him ).
This is a perfect example of a person referred to in my Holy Book as a ......; no matter.
Both these respondents, are incorrect ( let's say incomplete ) from my interpretation of the English Language word ' praying ' as it is understood in my Language. And I am reasonably conversant with the English Language, its vocabulary, grammar, literature and its nuances.
So pray tell me what you understand by the word 'pray '. Surely it cannot be as simple as dependence on something. Dependence for what, when, why, where...when can you have 'hope' to fulfill that role.Does it mean those who pray to something whose existence has never been proven do not
( cannot ) have hope in that same thing.
I need to understand your understanding of ' prayers '. To me saying ' dates ' ( meaning the fruit, produce of the date palm ) would be a person having little knowledge of what he/she really wants. Which ' dates '. From where? When plucked? What taste? Each one has a different name.
A horse is a horse. To me, once again, is an incomplete noun. Said in a Language with limited expressiveness or a definite attribute of something.
So, what is meant by ' pray '.
I eagerly await and welcome any and all responses. Please enlighten us all, especially me.
My great granddaughter said to me: "I don't pray any more. it doesn't work"
What an astute child.
I'm not suggesting she was correct in her procedures for verification and her observations and conclusions were not scrutinised by her peers or academic experts in the field. That would be presumptuous of me.
Nevertheless, her statement does bring to the surface a minor point of any hypothesis.
Making a statement such as: 'There is a god.' doesn't make it true or even close to true; its just a statement: an opinion, if you wish.
And because it's said by many, doesn't make it any truer.
So, praying to an opinion seems fruitless in the least and dangerous and life-threatening at the most.
As for disproving the existence of a deity; that, in itself is totally irrelevant and unnecessary. That sort of argument is downright dishonest. Because one thing cant be proved does not immediately make any or all other possibilities correct. Such a false argument would certainly lead us up the garden path.
One cannot say that just because it has not been proven, it cannot be. Tell Galileo..he knew all about it!!
Its unlikely that any of us would be able to ask Galileo about anything. Name dropping doesn't work here. I doubt if you, Fahim, have a complete grasp of Galileo's words or ideas. They have been upgraded somewhat since his day as well. Besides, you might not have as firm a grasp of the English language as you profess. I read your words with interest but I'm not astounded by your vocabulary or grammar; just interested in the content.
This all started because I asked what I thought was a simple question created by a passing thought when I viewed the photograph.
Isn't it amazing how we are driven by our own agenda when responding?
And yes, I am a fervent anti-theist and atheist. Religion has fucked up more lives that it has saved. If I can make a difference I will. But that is as unlikely as a Morman changing my mind when I'm stopped in the street. I always ask the question: "What if it WERE proven that there is no GOD? Would you still believe"?
Guess what the answer always is?
But it’s still interesting the idea nevertheless, Fahim. How can we expect good when we don’t look after others? Just the thought of the poet challenges us, it doesn’t redefine prayer!Angels can pray for themselves. They shouldn’t need our prayers or help!