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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Charlotte,

Wow!

Your amazingly crafted image is so, so wasted on Trump!


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Charlotte Thompson: Red Skull, TRUMP”


Trump seems to be a disease of deceit but not a devil person! His skill is manipulation! It’s so simple for him: He merely rides in this wave of evil, so he will gather more money!

So,Dear friend, you might give this, instead, to the 3 evil clans of Trump supporters:

  • The xenophobic “other-haters” that march against “Jews Not Replace Us” hitting both Jews and the Brown and Black peoples they detest!
  • The evangelists championing this ignorant narcissist as he can guide the High Court to expunge rights to abortions and gays.
  • The spineless Republicans who shed all principle to line up behind a person they actually disdain!
Not death!

You see Trump is against wars that would interfere with his main business of money laundering for dictators and the Russian Mafia!

If you give him a murderous skull, then Switzerland is far more deserving for making its money from Germany in World War II!

He is not any “devil” or “death” figure, just unscrupulous. He cares for the evangelists as much as he cares for caged immigrant children or the 5 Innocent Blacks who’s lives he helped ruin.

Asher
 

charlotte thompson

Active member
Asher
You are correct in every aspect except one... the art title. The skull represents death and evil in every way possible because the man has no soul so I find him DEAD! SOUL-lESS no thought for life and lives. Children in his cages have died under his watch and now this Epstein friend of his Child sex trafficking business he will surely be found as part of it!


Charlotte
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Trump doesn’t frighten me as he is merely a boil on the arse of an athletic USA.

The frightening aspect of the cowardice of the enablers, helping to activate all the rats from their hiding places. These will still be around when Trump is vanquished!

Asher
 
Theresa May said this in her final speech today: ""This descent of our debate into rancour and tribal bitterness, and in some cases even vile abuse at a criminal level, is corrosive to the democratic values which we should all be seeking to uphold." Charlotte's image titled "Resident Evil" and Asher's characterization of the three 'evil clans' of Trump supporters are examples of this decent into "rancour and tribal bitterness" in an American context. Don't either of you see the irony of condemning Trump when your engage in Trump-like behaviour? Liberalism is about inclusivity, diversity and tolerance of people with differing opinions. OPFI in the past expelled members whose behaviours violated those values.

A disclaimer: I'm an admirer of neither Theresa May nor Trump. However, I do believe that imitation is a form of flattery. When someone's expresses beliefs that this group or that group of people are evil, people like Trump win.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Michael,

Let’s start by stating and accepting as our convention of “Moral and Good” the “Rights of Man” fought for by the framers of the term in France after the bloody revolution

Having that as a background and a compass for good and evil, we can proceed. Yes it’s the big step from solid certainty, but not unreasonable for a civilized society.

It it just possible that aphorisms and attitudes to “NOT being judgmental” as to good and not good and good verses @evil, ( it’s extreme opposite taken to the nth), could very well be, in itself a kind of group “religious” attitude or a societal “fashion” or political correctness.

In Versailles, at the Royal very private Parties, the kings mistress was curtsied to, addresses by name with affection by the guests and no one would ask about the wife who was of course not invited. That is a fashion of behavior for a particular society at a particular time.

We are today told not to be “judgemental”!

Still, I personally don’t feel that a 400 lb person should be even allowed to be sold a triple hamburger and double French fries and a milkshake! So that’s where I come from for extreme cases only.

So, calling out the Republican Party as spineless IS justified when babies are ripped off their mother’s breast at the Southern border: such behavior is triply evil!

  1. The act of callous separation
  2. The lack of condemnation by legislators who should protect the international standards in the “Rights of Man”
  3. The legislators sit on their hands when they have a moral and constitutional duty to act
But I agree, tgatvif one does not start of with some assumption of a compass for good and evil, then who are we to judge!

Asher
 

James Lemon

Active member
Theresa May said this in her final speech today: ""This descent of our debate into rancour and tribal bitterness, and in some cases even vile abuse at a criminal level, is corrosive to the democratic values which we should all be seeking to uphold." Charlotte's image titled "Resident Evil" and Asher's characterization of the three 'evil clans' of Trump supporters are examples of this decent into "rancour and tribal bitterness" in an American context. Don't either of you see the irony of condemning Trump when your engage in Trump-like behaviour? Liberalism is about inclusivity, diversity and tolerance of people with differing opinions. OPFI in the past expelled members whose behaviours violated those values.

A disclaimer: I'm an admirer of neither Theresa May nor Trump. However, I do believe that imitation is a form of flattery. When someone's expresses beliefs that this group or that group of people are evil, people like Trump win.
Michael,

Let’s start by stating and accepting as our convention of “Moral and Good” the “Rights of Man” fought for by the framers of the term in France after the bloody revolution

Having that as a background and a compass for good and evil, we can proceed. Yes it’s the big step from solid certainty, but not unreasonable for a civilized society.

It it just possible that aphorisms and attitudes to “NOT being judgmental” as to good and not good and good verses @evil, ( it’s extreme opposite taken to the nth), could very well be, in itself a kind of group “religious” attitude or a societal “fashion” or political correctness.

In Versailles, at the Royal very private Parties, the kings mistress was curtsied to, addresses by name with affection by the guests and no one would ask about the wife who was of course not invited. That is a fashion of behavior for a particular society at a particular time.

We are today told not to be “judgemental”!

Still, I personally don’t feel that a 400 lb person should be even allowed to be sold a triple hamburger and double French fries and a milkshake! So that’s where I come from for extreme cases only.

So, calling out the Republican Party as spineless IS justified when babies are ripped off their mother’s breast at the Southern border: such behavior is triply evil!

  1. The act of callous separation
  2. The lack of condemnation by legislators who should protect the international standards in the “Rights of Man”
  3. The legislators sit on their hands when they have a moral and constitutional duty to act
But I agree, tgatvif one does not start of with some assumption of a compass for good and evil, then who are we to judge!

Asher
Asher

Are you suggesting that corporations should limit sales of cheese burgers and milk shakes to fat people? Personally I think vegans are killing way too many plants.

Best, regards
James
 
Michael,

Let’s start by stating and accepting as our convention of “Moral and Good” the “Rights of Man” fought for by the framers of the term in France after the bloody revolution

Having that as a background and a compass for good and evil, we can proceed. Yes it’s the big step from solid certainty, but not unreasonable for a civilized society.

It it just possible that aphorisms and attitudes to “NOT being judgmental” as to good and not good and good verses @evil, ( it’s extreme opposite taken to the nth), could very well be, in itself a kind of group “religious” attitude or a societal “fashion” or political correctness.

In Versailles, at the Royal very private Parties, the kings mistress was curtsied to, addresses by name with affection by the guests and no one would ask about the wife who was of course not invited. That is a fashion of behavior for a particular society at a particular time.

We are today told not to be “judgemental”!

Still, I personally don’t feel that a 400 lb person should be even allowed to be sold a triple hamburger and double French fries and a milkshake! So that’s where I come from for extreme cases only.

So, calling out the Republican Party as spineless IS justified when babies are ripped off their mother’s breast at the Southern border: such behavior is triply evil!

  1. The act of callous separation
  2. The lack of condemnation by legislators who should protect the international standards in the “Rights of Man”
  3. The legislators sit on their hands when they have a moral and constitutional duty to act
But I agree, tgatvif one does not start of with some assumption of a compass for good and evil, then who are we to judge!

Asher
Asher, I've no problem with the philosophical background presented here. The focus is upon action or inaction by individuals. Any given act or failure to act may be good or bad depending on the criteria used for judgement. But that's not what you wrote earlier. The section I have problems with reads as follows:

"you might give this [i.e., an appellation of 'devil persons'], instead, to the 3 evil clans of Trump supporters:

  • The xenophobic “other-haters” that march against “Jews Not Replace Us” hitting both Jews and the Brown and Black peoples they detest!
  • The evangelists championing this ignorant narcissist as he can guide the High Court to expunge rights to abortions and gays.
  • The spineless Republicans who shed all principle to line up behind a person they actually disdain!"
This sentence describes groups of individuals that surely comprise a minority of Trump supporters. I'm sure you don't believe that nearly 63,000,000 Americans voting for Trump in the last election are xenophobic, evangelistic, unprincipled people, or have some combination of these characteristics. Such a belief is patently untrue. Although I don't know anyone in Canada that wants or supports Trump as President of the USA, that's America's business not ours. However, I do know quite of lot of Americans in social-strata that range from low paid nursing assistants to high paid head office executives of major international organizations that either voted for Trump or express somewhat favourable economic appraisals of Trump's administration to date. Now none of these individuals act in 'deplorable' ways, to use Hillary Clinton's description of Trump supporters, and none has made deplorable statements in my presence.

Why did these individuals vote for Trump? Here's three reasons among many. (1) Poling guru, Nate Silver, and others point out that very few American voters change party affiliation or political ideology across elections. (2) Also, Hillary Clinton appeared abhorrent to many people. (3) Social media played it's part and Trump exploited (and continues to exploit) that medium far better than his rivals.

To my mind, present-day difficulties concerning liberalism include the following. In earlier times, the proponents of liberalism were predominantly for and often of the working classes. Nowadays, its proponents are for and of the middle classes. Will Trump win the next American election? Maybe, unless American liberals get a whole lot smarter than to think the working classes less significant than themselves. As a middle-class liberal, like yourself, I hope they do.

Mike
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Mike,

In France, the population could be divided for the last century as being in very approximate third’s. One part on the right, and it’s extreme right, fascistic, another socialist and the center “democratic”

In practice, whoever garnished support of the remaining 10% ruled France. Of course that is a gross oversimplification, I admit, but it does provide a way of understanding the worth of Trumps Xenophobic racist “Red-neck” base and the power of the Homophobic anti-abortion evangelicals working for God!

In the USA, as you correctly pointed out, families are often fiercely loyal to one party or another. The country is evenly split between those who vote Republican and those who always vote Democrat.

What counts then are the 10 percent who’s vote can swing according to the political tide of the year. Giant states like California, are already Democratic overwhelmingly.

Voting for either party doesn’t really influence the outcome of a Presidential election as we already have Democrats wielding our votes in the electoral college.

But small states are a special case. An intense campaign can shift a few districts and bring about a change. It so happens that Trumps base are in such states and reliably come out to vote.

With the Democrats trying to “bleed to death” Joe Biden, we could be left with Progressives who cannot beat Trump in the needed swing States as they are too threatening to Republican “swing voters” and anyway, Trumps base will be fully mobilized against them.

A Biden can get swing Republican Votes. A Bernie Sanders or Pamela Harris unlikely.

Meanwhile the “Tweets” and public statements by Trump against the arguably “Anti-American”, “anti-Israel” and increasingly “antisemetic” squad and the progressive wing, has the Democrats successfully labeled, (at the moment), as unacceptably left wing extremists!

So in the USA, those who regularly vote for either major party essentially don’t count. The election is decided by small numbers. That is where Trump has his power.

His bigotry is “red meat” avidly consumed by his base. Add to that his proven “keeping his Bargain” with God fearing Evangelists! Trump has already delivered two Supreme Court Justices to potentially rule in favor their allegiance to Biblical guidance for our laws. This means “protection of a fetus as a living person” and rolling back of gay marriage!

These two factors mean that intense efforts in swing states by these very motivated Trump supporters can help him extend his hold on the presidency.

As long as the economy continues to boom and he can stoke his tiny rabble base, the good manners and decency of 90% of the population is of no consequence!

Asher
 

charlotte thompson

Active member
Well this became a hot mess of wasps! Good thing we have freedom of speech .. it always helps people understand other people. Trump is evil and has nothing to do with religion. I was brought up Catholic and educated in Catholic school Dude you wanna talk about evil... there was alot and still is. I do not practice or follow and religious codes period. I have my own brain to work with and eyes to see! Trump is a pock on America plain and simple! Just yesterday in one of his racially fed rallies he had his crowd shouting Send her back so violently it scared the hell out of me just watching small parts of. She is the newly elected congress woman from Africa naturalized citizen . He spreads lies and hate about her and now his base is using it. This woman I hope has security around her for a long time husband and children as well . Hey tell what real male picks on a woman ?

Charlotte
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Well this became a hot mess of wasps! Good thing we have freedom of speech .. it always helps people understand other people. Trump is evil and has nothing to do with religion. I was brought up Catholic and educated in Catholic school Dude you wanna talk about evil... there was alot and still is. I do not practice or follow and religious codes period. I have my own brain to work with and eyes to see! Trump is a pock on America plain and simple! Just yesterday in one of his racially fed rallies he had his crowd shouting Send her back so violently it scared the hell out of me just watching small parts of. She is the newly elected congress woman from Africa naturalized citizen . He spreads lies and hate about her and now his base is using it. This woman I hope has security around her for a long time husband and children as well . Hey tell what real male picks on a woman ?

Charlotte
♥?❤
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
So sorry about your vitriol, Charlotte. Hope you get better soon. Goodbye.
Michael,

Mike,

Charlotte is actually very level headed and has left behind the nuns and their canes!

The “send her back” type xenophobic chants, by Trumps supporters in rallies, are generally followed by a racist violent act by some fringe fellow, motivated and empowered to act out on his marginal extremist disturbed mind. People die each time!

This was typical for Sir Oswald Mosley in his rabble-rousing emotional speeches in another fascistic era, in the U.K. it always happens! Speech is not free when it’s hate speech. There are domino consequences to the invective, releasing suppressed resentments and putting a target on the back of the “rats de jour”!

John McCain never allowed his supporters to hurl such invective against his dire political opponent, Barack Obama. He confronted his supporters that Obama was a loyal and patriotic American, he respected, but who he just happened to disagree with politically.

That’s the difference!

Michael, why is such a sliver of hateful people here so significant to us in here in the USA?

By leveraging a tiny fraction of the populace, we are split and it seems as if there is a ton of evil, an unstoppable mass movement! That is what the Trump effect is!


Actually there are more folk educated, less illiteracy, less murders and less wars each year. But still, we must call out this stirring up of invective against immigrants and minorities in so many countries.

In the USA, just to keep our economy going, we happen to need immigrants as we have N acute shortfall of 3,000,000 babies a year!

Asher
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
  • In 2014, approximately 19% of U.S. pregnancies (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) ended in abortion.
...and that is tragic! I hate the idea of abortions but would leave that very serious and hard decision to you and your wife....or the couple.

I would focus on providing free health care during pregnancy and would give $50,000 to every couple with a bachelors degree that have babies as that would enrich our work force with folk who would be more likely to go to college instead of jail. Second babies $100,000 as long as the first one was not in child custody services and has a pediatric attestation that it is being well cared for.

I wouldn’t as a physician do an abortion. Not that I find that the unborn fetus is a human, but it’s disrespectful to human life forms.

To me a child is a person once it's out of danger and born with a working brain!

They are as much part of our national resources as our borders and transportation system....

....and far more loveable!

Asher
 

James Lemon

Active member
...and that is tragic! I hate the idea of abortions but would leave that very serious and hard decision to you and your wife....or the couple.

I would focus on providing free health care during pregnancy and would give $50,000 to every couple with a bachelors degree that have babies as that would enrich our work force with folk who would be more likely to go to college instead of jail. Second babies $100,000 as long as the first one was not in child custody services and has a pediatric attestation that it is being well cared for.

I wouldn’t as a physician do an abortion. Not that I find that the unborn fetus is a human, but it’s disrespectful to human life forms.

To me a child is a person once it's out of danger and born with a working brain!

They are as much part of our national resources as our borders and transportation system....

....and far more loveable!

Asher
However there are millions of Americans that disagree with you.

Best, regards
James
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
So would millions of Pakistani’s!

But I am right from economic point of view!

I wouldn’t ask them how to perform finite element analysis on an engineering structure or how to treat diabetes.

I am looking at the issue from the terms of economics not politics.

Politics here in the USA is largely tribal.

So of course millions would disagree!

Asher
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
I have utter faith in the basic goodness of most of us. The tilts to the right or left is only possible because most of us are set in our ways and simply have Teflon-coated points of view. So tiny fractions of “swing voters” have effects so disproportionate to their numbers.

Then the party that wins with essentially 50% of the vote and a feather of activists, claims they have a “mandate” of the populace as a whole!

Asher
 

charlotte thompson

Active member
It is when we cut others short of what they think then freedom of speech would become dead! America has the right to speak freely... humans have died for that right! every one has that that right. THE CHALLENGE FOR EACH OF US IS TO COME TOGETHER AS BEST WE CAN. I am a military mother. and I can tell you it is really hard, I understand most because of this and other families who serve the same. So I will always continue to speak not hate but truth and truth to power. Thank you Asher.

Charlotte
 
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