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Riding the Thunderbolt

That is what Texas death row prisoners called being electrocuted in "Old Sparky", the electric chair pictured here. This chair was used in the executions of 361 men over a 40 year span from 1924 to 1964. It has been retired for many years now and replaced with the supposedly more humane lethal injection. I took this today at the Texas State Prison Museum in Huntsville. It was a very surreal moment.

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Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
Hi James,

This is very surreal indeed. I really like everything about the picture, well done.
But I shoudl say that it is really unnerving!

How are you doing right now re the job hunt? I hope you'll find something soon. My thoughts go out to you.

Cheers,
 
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Thanks Cem. The job hunt is still in full force. Nothing positive to speak of yet however. I am hoping for better luck next week. It's a little early for panic just yet but that time is getting closer. Thank you for the well wishes.

Rod, the light was just an overhead flood of some kind shining down on the chair. I shot with my Nikon D3 and 24-70mm f/2.8 lens. ISO 1600 f/5 1/8 sec handheld.

James
 

Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
I really love many things about this picture.
1. The composition (use of the wide angle lens) and the shadow of the chair. The shadow is eerie and seems to hide in there until such time it can strike again.
2. The contrast of the pastel green colored windows behind the chair make the situation look unreal. This is a real instrument of death but it sits there as if waiting for the next home improvement project to start.,
3. The clarity of the image with no visible noise at 1600 ISO.

Thanks for sharing James.

PS: Just hang in there, I believe you'll find something soon.

Cheers,
 
One more that just makes me glad that I was able to make some right decisions along the way. It could easily have ended up much different than me just looking for another job.

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Ken Tanaka

pro member
Honestly, I'm not at all confident of what's most "surreal".

a. Seeing a "retired" electric chair.
b. That there exists a "Texas State Prison Museum" that displays such artifacts.
c. That, given the fact of (b), anyone would voluntarily tour such a place.
 

Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
Honestly, I'm not at all confident of what's most "surreal".

a. Seeing a "retired" electric chair.
b. That there exists a "Texas State Prison Museum" that displays such artifacts.
c. That, given the fact of (b), anyone would voluntarily tour such a place.
Hi Ken,

As you know I have great respect for you but in this instance I think you are being a bit harsh on us. I am not a native speaker of English so I had to look up the definition of surreal just to be sure. According to Encarta, it means:
bizarre: weirdly unfamiliar, distorted, or disturbing, like the experiences in a dream or the objects or experiences depicted in surrealism
Based on that, I still agree with James that standing face to face with an instrument of death which has taken the lives of 361 men is: weirdly unfamiliar, distorted and disturbing. So it is surreal to me.

You know we have a saying in Dutch: "ramptoerisme". It means disaster tourism. We know that there are people who derive great pleasure from visiting places where some disaster has taken place. That, I agree is a sick behaviour and is perhaps what you were hinting at with your option c. If so, please consider that we humans all visit historical places where great cruelty has taken place not simply because it gives us pleasure. But because of its historical importance and because it helps us to better realize the wrongs done by others and how not to fall into the same pitfalls. As far as the chair is concerned; via this picture I realize once more how much I abhor the mentality of capital punishment. I am sure that James might have a different opinion on that. But regardless of our political opinions, a powerful picture like this stirs up emotions and hopefully leads the way to civilised debate.

Cheers,
 
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Thank you Cem. I think you summed things up pretty well. The more I read and reread Ken's comments, the more upset I became. I took it as just an uppity, holier than thou, snobbish jab at me, for whatever reason. I am a native Texan and very proud of that. Yes, of course, it was just the luck of the draw or happinstance that caused me to be born here in the first place so how could I be "proud" of that roll of the dice? I heard that nonsense here already. I was born here, no matter what the odds. I consider myself very lucky to have been, and I always will, no matter what any out of stater has to say about anything.

I am not in favor of capital punishment. If it worked as intended and it was a true deterent of capital crimes, I would definitely be in favor of it. Because it has not proven to be anywhere near that, I feel it is a wasted effort. I also feel it lets the criminal, who has destroyed so many innocent lives through his nasty and horrendous deeds, get off and out of this world way too easy. Especially now that we "retired" Old Sparky and now just give them a chemical injection to let them slip off quietly into dreamland. That is a joke if you don't get it. I have heard from sources that the lethal injection, in many ways, is more cruel and inhumane than the electric chair because of how it works and what the inmate truly experiences during his execution. I don't think sweet dreams are in any way involved. I actually would much rather see the murderous scum suffer for the rest of their life in a 6 foot prison cell with no outside human contact whatsoever.

I enjoy studying the history of many things. Texas history especially has always been a favorite subject of mine. It is required coursework here in our school systems. The holocaust was an atrocity upon humanity the likes of which had never been seen and hopefully never will again. Should people not "voluntarily tour such a place" as the holocaust museums that exist? I believe France has a very long and dark history when it comes to crime and punishment. Are there any guillotines on display in France Nicolas? Do people actually go visit such places? I know...it's probably just the rich Texans over there on holiday right? That's another joke.

Just about every state, by the way, has some sort of prison museum. It's not just Texas. I find it hard to believe that I am the only person interested in that part of our past. And besides, as bad as the prison systems seem to the casual observer, all over the country, they are actually much better now and much more humane and even much more capable of treating their populations with a little respect, if deserved, and yes, even do some rehabilitation at times, and many of the advances that have been made in the system are a direct result of things developed and first introduced in the Texas systems. So if you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself in prison, you can thank Texas for the ethical and humane treatment you may be lucky enough to receive.

But now that Ken has made such a strong case against all of this, I have changed my mind completely and now believe with all of my heart that we should swing open all of the prison gates, in Texas, and let them all disburse to the other 49 states or countries abroad. Thank you for opening my eyes to a whole new way of thinking.

Here was another image I found interesting. It is photography related so hopefully it will not receive the "Wrath of Ken".

James Newman

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Mike Shimwell

New member
Exactly.

Mike

Perhaps I should be more clear - these things should be seen, even though I am left feeling disturbed by the image.

Going a bit further, it would be hypocritical to champion the power of photography to lead to changes in our world and then seek to avoid the things we don't like. As great and as wonderful as photographic art can be, the real reason that photography has impactd the world as it has is because of its direct connection back to some moment in reality. (I am not claiming that photo's represent the truth, just there is a dirct conneciton in journalistic work).

Mike
 

nicolas claris

OPF Co-founder/Administrator
I believe France has a very long and dark history when it comes to crime and punishment. Are there any guillotines on display in France Nicolas? Do people actually go visit such places?

Bonsoir James
yes our history has been quite dark too, also with death penalty.

Frankly I don't know if one can see a Guillotine antwhere here, but I guess there is a museum somewhere…
Well, a quick search in Google shows, that yes, in many places…

I must say I'm quite proud that the capital punishment was definitively abolished on October 9, 1981 by our Assemblée Nationale, on a proposition of law by Robert Badinter Minister of Justice (When François Mitterrand was the Président de la République).

Unfortunately, I am not proud at all about how the prisonners are treated in France. A shame for a so called "civilized" country…
 

Jim Galli

Member
You're absolutely right. I should have just gone to the arboretum and photographed the flowers.

The world we wish for.....

The world that is.......

My parents taught me that if I behaved myself I'd never have to worry much about that chair. It's working out pretty well for me so far. I have no problem with capitol punishment. Sorry.
 
Honestly, I'm not at all confident of what's most "surreal".
b. That there exists a "Texas State Prison Museum" that displays such artifacts.
c. That, given the fact of (b), anyone would voluntarily tour such a place.

I think it is very dangerous to only educate a society on the parts of their history that are inoffensive. I think it stunts our personal development to only seek out information that we're sure won't unsettle us. On the other hand, there are some things I don't need to have in my brain to understand history. This image is very good; I don't need to actually see a picture of someone being put to death in it though. I would hope that the curator of a museum I chose to tour would keep their exhibits on the correct side of gratuitous regardless of the topic.

Harsh justice (and sometimes injustice) is a part of Texas history and culture, so naturally we as Texans are more inclined to reflect on how that shaped the state we live in today than people who live in other cultures might. And I will add that I have no problem with the theory of capital punishment, but I think that Texas in particular has demonstrated that we haven't been able to come up with an implementation of it that won't result in innocent people being killed. Better a thousand people who should be put to death spend the rest of their lives in jail, than one innocent person be murdered.

-Colleen
 
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Doug Kerr

Well-known member
Hi, Nicolas,

Just for my poor culture of a man from the "old Europe", does a man from Chicago lives in other culture than a Texan?

Indeed yes (especially if the man is an indigenous Texan, not an immigrant comme moi).

As is so often the case, much of it revolves around linguistic differences (and the related issues of accent and phonology).

Some of it is a matter of emphasis on social concepts of long historical existence.

Some of it is a matter of the differences in the kinds of "industry" that have been practiced in different regions.

It is interesting that many Texans do not celebrate the date of Texas' admission to the Union since they consider that event to have been a capitulation.

Some of it is a simple as whether or not chile con carne should have beans in it.

Best regards,

Doug
 
Just for my poor culture of a man from the "old Europe", does a man from Chicago lives in other culture than a Texan?

Absolutely. Different states have very different histories and were added to the federation at different times and under different circumstances. New Yorkers are different from Californians. And the folks from Maine are different from the folks from Georgia. They eat different foods, speak with different accents, have different political leanings, have different ethnic mixes, etc.

Immigrants tended to stay together in certain areas when they settled in America, and that has an impact on culture. The folks that settled Minnesota tended to come from Northern Europe where they were used to a similar climate. There is a large American-Cuban population in Southern Florida that makes Miami a very different town from Dallas which is completely different from Chicago. Yes we tend to all speak English (well down here you need to know Spanish) but the culture is as varied across the country as the terrain and climate.



-Colleen
 

nicolas claris

OPF Co-founder/Administrator
Thanks Doug and Colleen

I have learned a lot! but keep desesparate!

Chili con carne with beans for me please! (and iced Bud… even if not culturally correct;-)
 
No beans in my chili please as I feel that is a sin, but I will take hot peppers, onions, corn bread and an ice cold long neck Lone Star. Thanks Nicolas. You got me all hungry now. I am still not completely sold against secession either.
James
 

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
A very well captured and presented image. The shadow adds to the strength of the picture.

Hope to hear good news Re: your job huntings.

Regards.
 
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