Just for Fun No C&C will be given: Vienna - July 2008 - Schonbrunn silverware museum

Valentin Arfire · Jun 11, 2010

have a wonderful weekend with good light

Asher Kelman · Jun 12, 2010

Valentin.

I've just completed going through the panos. What I realize is that there's such a density of so many works of art, that one really could benefit from your voice explaining what one is seeing. so what are the capabilities of adding voice to a tour?

The panoramas are more difficult to get just be looking casually as the usual images you show, say of Prague with the bridge of the clock tower or folk in the street. There it's easily understood and interesting.

In these new pictures of the Museum, we see plates that are blue but no discussion of whether these are influenced by Delft work or what are they. It would really help to have at least a link to the museum website to learn more.

Valentin Arfire: Visitors in extracted portion of original panorama

Here in this fragment of one of the panos we can see people checking the catalog against the exhibits, trying to identify the pieces. Scenes like this would help make the story more alive. Right now, the pictures are dry. However with a narrative and running in a movie format, it might be so much better. Can you do the conversion to give the tour in a movie form with narration?

I think of this as a possible example you can make for a commercial project too. If one is going to make money from Panorama photography like this, then I'd say we need to optimize the user's experience. In this case, the amount of detail we are faced with is immense. To me one should consider getting one of these edited with close ups of a 10 pieces as examples of the best in the collection. Then you will have created something in your portfolio to encourage folk to hire you for a project. The virtual image sphere, by itself for such a museum does not hold the easy natural beauty of a landscape or a great City like Budapest or Prague.

What do you think?

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 12, 2010

thank you Asher

Regarding your suggestions - sound indeed can be added (even pointing to certain direction so - say looking towards South the presentation would be one with the exponates in that part, while turning towards East the sound will refer to other things.)
Also hotspots that can open other images or html pages with detailled explanations may be given.

Several panoramas connected can be put in a virtual tour where the visitor would actually have the details under his control, could return how often and could put a pause to any moment.
I am not a programmer but have some friends who provided some simple templates where panoramas are connected and is possible to navigate within a tour with little difficulty; one of those templates has music

so a presentation could be looped over panoramas from the tour.

thank you for your interest and have a wonderful weekend

Asher Kelman · Jun 12, 2010

Valentin Arfire said:
thank you Asher

Regarding your suggestions - sound indeed can be added (even pointing to certain direction so - say looking towards South the presentation would be one with the exponates in that part, while turning towards East the sound will refer to other things.)
Also hotspots that can open other images or html pages with detailled explanations may be given.

Several panoramas connected can be put in a virtual tour where the visitor would actually have the details under his control, could return how often and could put a pause to any moment.

Hi Valentin,

I'm just thinking of how the effort translates into a service you can sell. I guess there must be commercial versions that do all that. Likely Autopano Tour. I'll check it out.

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 12, 2010

thank you Asher - the program I know already doing this is pano2vr;
In the end is requires much hours of coding on computer for someone who has the skills (unfortunately not me now or in a short period of study)

regarding the exposed objects, I believe the story behind them is much over the value of the exponats

Asher Kelman · Jun 12, 2010

Valentin Arfire said:
thank you Asher - the program I know already doing this is pano2vr;
In the end is requires much hours of coding on computer for someone who has the skills (unfortunately not me now or in a short period of study)

regarding the exposed objects, I believe the story behind them is much over the value of the exponats

Valentin,

There are different audiences. The folk who like antiques would like access to details. The rest of us would like at least one or two close ups to see what it's like. more important is the human aspect. The people in the picture can make this much more interesting. However, their cooperation in remaining still, might be needed unless you are shooting at very high ISO.

Whenever I have a good ida, chances are someone already had the same thought and likely the software exists. So no programming might be needed!

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 13, 2010

Asher Kelman · Jun 13, 2010

Valentin,

I have really enjoyed going through you panos and I have some questions. what is the height of your tripod? It seems that you could perhaps have it higher so one can see the tops of buildings with less distortion.

I'd love to use content aware features of Photoshop 5 to clean up some pictures before making the panos so the parked cars would be gone!

I still think that your panos are a great way to harvest entire worlds and then to subsequently find your own compositions inside this sphere.

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 13, 2010

Hi Asher, I take your encouraging words as always

thank you

now I use a manfrotto of approx 1.80m; in Vienna I had borrowed a Linhoff technika of about 1.60 and in Barcelona I use a Giotos of about 1.70.

some remarkable results are obtained with poles of 3+ meters

Valentin Arfire · Jun 15, 2010

Viena is cool

I hope I won't get you bored but

Asher Kelman · Jun 15, 2010

http://www.360cities.net/image/july-5-2008-vienna-cityscape-c#-110.18,-1.47,70.0

I swear that you are not giving your work enough credit! This pano needs to have flat images sampled from it. There's wonderful Viennese architecture and a street fair!

Please show a still with these panos so they get the attention they deserve!

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 15, 2010

mercator

thank you for the interest - encouragement and support is all I get from this forum

good light

Asher Kelman · Jun 15, 2010

Valentin Arfire said:
thank you for the interest - encouragement and support is all I get from this forum

good light

This is a remarkably unusual way of seeing things. I wonder what the focal length is? Maybe around 8mm!

What is the focal length used for the pano and how many shots?

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 15, 2010

the view is 360 degrees - so is not found in nature

the projection is Mercator; somehow I find this one much more pleasing and the distorsions acceptable

the panoramas were made with Canon 350D + 8mm Sigma
6 shots around at 60 degrees
I used at the time (and rarely today) Nodal Ninja 3 - quite light and convenient for a light camera.

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Asher Kelman · Jun 15, 2010

Valentin Arfire said:
thank you for the interest - encouragement and support is all I get from this forum

good light

Valentin,

Frankly,

I find the extracted images you have made far more powerful than the panos themselves. I really enjoy having you choose for us a favorite view which combines people with stunning architecture. I'm so impressed with the relationship between the two.

Summarize again for us the software used for making the pano and then extracting these projections so it's all in this thread. Do you need a shot above and below or the 8mm covers that.

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jun 15, 2010

thank you Asher

the 8 mm Sigma leaves on the crop sensor a blind spot of approx 10 degrees (out of 180 degrees it means 5 degrees over the head and 5 down on the tripod) and the idea is to patch neighbouring regions so the holes to be covered unremarkably; on the full frame the 8 mm Sigma is full 180 degrees, meaning that I could make a full spherical panorama with only 2 photos, but for practical reasons I usually take 3; Actually I take more and don't use the sigma on the FF because of the resulting resolution: the 5000 pixel panorama is unacceptable for a decent degree of details, si I prefer using the Tokina at 15 or 17 mm with 6 + 1 photos and maybe more if there are moving objects or persons.

Lately I shoot panoramas with lens pointing 15 degrees down and the extra shot covers completely the sky. I do this because I feel the lenses behavious is various - better in the middle and less in the margins, so I try to use that as little as possible.

Asher Kelman · Jun 15, 2010

Valentin Arfire said:
thank you Asher

the 8 mm Sigma leaves on the crop sensor a blind spot of approx 10 degrees (out of 180 degrees it means 5 degrees over the head and 5 down on the tripod) and the idea is to patch neighbouring regions so the holes to be covered unremarkably; on the full frame the 8 mm Sigma is full 180 degrees, meaning that I could make a full spherical panorama with only 2 photos, but for practical reasons I usually take 3; Actually I take more and don't use the sigma on the FF because of the resulting resolution: the 5000 pixel panorama is unacceptable for a decent degree of details, si I prefer using the Tokina at 15 or 17 mm with 6 + 1 photos and maybe more if there are moving objects or persons.

What full frame camera do you refer to that is short on pixels? "Actually I take more and don't use the sigma on the FF because of the resulting resolution: the 5000 pixel panorama is unacceptable for a decent degree of details,"

Valentin Arfire said:
Lately I shoot panoramas with lens pointing 15 degrees down and the extra shot covers completely the sky. I do this because I feel the lenses behavious is various - better in the middle and less in the margins, so I try to use that as little as possible.

That's a good point.

I hope you will make a new rule never to show panos without these interesting flat projections that allow us to see things in a novel way.

Asher

Valentin Arfire · Jul 8, 2010

Valentin Arfire · Jul 9, 2010

planars

some mercator rotated and a little planet - for you to enjoy

Valentin Arfire · Jul 9, 2010

Asher Kelman · Jul 9, 2010

Valentin,

I think that this approach to looking at the world is very advantageous. It allows us to see new ways of relating one thing to another in a scene. Anyone can snap a picture. Choosing an impressive subject gives us better pictures and if they are well known, postcards. To get further one needs to deal with composition, and expression of ideas or tensions and other feelings. The presentation of what we can see by moving our eye and looking around and collecting those views with wide angle lenses gives us an extra opportunity to relate things to each other that otherwise would be hard to do.

Here's where I think you can add a new dimension to your photography. Search within these picture of yours to find fascinating pictures within your originals.

Asher

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