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Waterfalls & Streams
- Thread starter Dan Siman
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Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Dan,
I'm impressed by your choices! What's your workflow? Are you sharpening the rocks? Do you have this in RAW as there are areas which seem very bright and might be pulled back.
Asher
I'm impressed by your choices! What's your workflow? Are you sharpening the rocks? Do you have this in RAW as there are areas which seem very bright and might be pulled back.
Asher
fahim mohammed
Well-known member
Dan, one question if I may.
What do you want me to see/feel when I look at these very good photographs taken by you?
Regards.
What do you want me to see/feel when I look at these very good photographs taken by you?
Regards.
dunno lol.. whatever you like really! this is not too averybodys taste i know, these are only my first attempt at this kind of things & i am still getting to grips with manual camera controls all of my photographs are infact the work of a beginner who is still experimenting all the time! i like the feel to flowing water though makes me feel relaxed to look at it but maybe thats just because i am a fisherman!
fahim mohammed
Well-known member
Dan, you are not the only one who does not know. I do not know most of the time!! And contrary to what you might believe, most of the others do not know either. The big difference..You said so, honestly. I respect that. You are a better man than I am.
May I suggest, you try getting in closer. Or moving further away. Try it with a faster shutter speed.
So as to remove the silky smooth blur. Then Compare. How about doing the same thing but underexpose. Overexpose. Stand in the same position and just change the aperture.
Compare your results. Which ones do you like? Why? Have you tried mismatched color balance? What about Black and White?
Get in the water/stream ( taking care of your camera!!) Shoot from different distances. Different
views in your view finder.
Take one exposure. Take another one changing the view point very slightly. Combine them. What would happen if the rocks were a much darker shade of brown? The greens much greener? The water with a more saturated shade of blue?
Only one way to find out!! Good Luck. I am here if I could help in any way.
Regards.
May I suggest, you try getting in closer. Or moving further away. Try it with a faster shutter speed.
So as to remove the silky smooth blur. Then Compare. How about doing the same thing but underexpose. Overexpose. Stand in the same position and just change the aperture.
Compare your results. Which ones do you like? Why? Have you tried mismatched color balance? What about Black and White?
Get in the water/stream ( taking care of your camera!!) Shoot from different distances. Different
views in your view finder.
Take one exposure. Take another one changing the view point very slightly. Combine them. What would happen if the rocks were a much darker shade of brown? The greens much greener? The water with a more saturated shade of blue?
Only one way to find out!! Good Luck. I am here if I could help in any way.
Regards.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Scouting the viewpoint with a cutout!
Dan,
The way to take pictures like this is with a tripod and cable (or time-delayed shutter release). The slow shutter speed does indeed give the milky appearance that you desire. The rest of the picture can be sharper. Still, even before this, the choice of the approach to the scene is the hardest part. As a start, (and perhaps you do this already), I recommend having a cardboard cutout with a rectangle corresponding to 4x5, the form of prints. It can be 8mm x 20mm and then you look through this as you move from position to discover a viewpoint you find most interesting. This means you can move around without your camera. I trained 3 sons with this method, using, instead, fingers to make such a viewing rectangle. As they crouched climbed up to a new vantage point or came up from an new angle, the arrangement of things changed and so they discovered the form of things. Such effort, I believe s the most important part of learning photography.
The next part s simply taking a myriad of pictures, each time choosing the best and destroying the rest. Then simply print out these few in B&W and draw on them with a wax marker notes for yourself as to what you might want to improve.
When you can make a picture as you had hoped, then you are ready for experimenting with all the great suggestions Fahim has shared.
In this case, I'd venture to take his idea of using B&W further. Why not only use B&W presentation for the next 50 pictures! This will allow you to clinch, shape, form, light and shading, gesture and the interplay of the components of your picture. So, starting with this picture of a waterfall, can we look at it in B&W? I did this within moments of it being posted.
What software do you have for this, if that's what you might like to do? Trust me that simplifying your framework for your photography will help you make better pictures. So you want to try this. We don't teach here but if you are sufficiently motivated, we'll share our experience wth you.
Asher
Dan,
The way to take pictures like this is with a tripod and cable (or time-delayed shutter release). The slow shutter speed does indeed give the milky appearance that you desire. The rest of the picture can be sharper. Still, even before this, the choice of the approach to the scene is the hardest part. As a start, (and perhaps you do this already), I recommend having a cardboard cutout with a rectangle corresponding to 4x5, the form of prints. It can be 8mm x 20mm and then you look through this as you move from position to discover a viewpoint you find most interesting. This means you can move around without your camera. I trained 3 sons with this method, using, instead, fingers to make such a viewing rectangle. As they crouched climbed up to a new vantage point or came up from an new angle, the arrangement of things changed and so they discovered the form of things. Such effort, I believe s the most important part of learning photography.
The next part s simply taking a myriad of pictures, each time choosing the best and destroying the rest. Then simply print out these few in B&W and draw on them with a wax marker notes for yourself as to what you might want to improve.
When you can make a picture as you had hoped, then you are ready for experimenting with all the great suggestions Fahim has shared.
In this case, I'd venture to take his idea of using B&W further. Why not only use B&W presentation for the next 50 pictures! This will allow you to clinch, shape, form, light and shading, gesture and the interplay of the components of your picture. So, starting with this picture of a waterfall, can we look at it in B&W? I did this within moments of it being posted.
What software do you have for this, if that's what you might like to do? Trust me that simplifying your framework for your photography will help you make better pictures. So you want to try this. We don't teach here but if you are sufficiently motivated, we'll share our experience wth you.
Asher
Valentin Arfire
New member
hi Dan
good advices - experiment and analyze the images
select and process them
imho a 360 degree panorama with a carefully chosen station point may bring more justice to the place; also you may consider shorter exposures: the water is made of drops, you know but can't see in the image.
good advices - experiment and analyze the images
select and process them
imho a 360 degree panorama with a carefully chosen station point may bring more justice to the place; also you may consider shorter exposures: the water is made of drops, you know but can't see in the image.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Valentin,
I'd like to emphasize that the only experimentation in the beginning should be choice of where one stands with the camera and the time of day and depth of field by altering the aperture f stop.
At the outset, just go for a correct exposure so that the blacks are not all blocked together and the brights are not fused to a blown out white. Only then should one experiment further. Unless one can compose and expose a picture in focus by design, then it's foolish to alter anything else in the process.
I agree that 360 degree panoramas give us many new ways of looking at scenes we think we understand. Really, we only touch a small fraction of what's available to us in normal glances through a viewfinder. Again, just nailing single pictures for POV, depth of focus, composition, what's excluded, timing, lighting and other mundane parameters, should be aced before doing panos; but don't put it off too long!
Asher
thanks for all the advice! i have cs5, aswell as lightroom 3.0 although these are both fairly new to me am still more familiar with photoshop elements so find myself editing to the best of my abilities with that usually i will take all of this advice into consideration & i will also take a look at this in black & white too!
richard berry
New member
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Thats aweosme photographs..very refreshing!!!
Thats aweosme photographs..very refreshing!!!