From Bach to Baumann and beyond: the synthesizers. Where does this lead us?

[Klaus Esser]

Moved daughter Thread. We started with a picture posted under the title of "Abstraction". That was confronted with a challenge of Art classification and so we discussed what Abstraction really might be. It turns out that there are wiudely different beliefs as to what the term might encompass.

This daughter theme emerged. It seems we have a deep interest in a line of music played on keyboards, from the string based to the synthesizer. So here it is. Asher

I didn't knew, Bach was playing CD's > sigh<

he played a Moog!
i have a vinyl-record "Switch on Bach" from Walter Carlos (now: Wendy Carlos).
Bach on a giant Moog-Synthesizer somewhen in the 70s.
G-R-E-A-T!!
Have some versions of Brandenburgische Konzerte recorded from the 40s until 80s on vinyl. Wonderful, of course.
But the 2nd movement on the Moog . . . is phantastic.

best, Klaus

 

[Alain Briot]

he played a Moog!
i have a vinyl-record "Switch on Bach" from Walter Carlos (now: Wendy Carlos).
Bach on a giant Moog-Synthesizer somewhen in the 70s.
G-R-E-A-T!!
Have some versions of Brandenburgische Konzerte recorded from the 40s until 80s on vinyl. Wonderful, of course.
But the 2nd movement on the Moog . . . is phantastic.

best, Klaus

Now, if I could play Bach...

 

[Michael Fontana]

hmmm, not abstract, really

 

[Alain Briot]

hmmm, not abstract, really

But the sounds are ;-)

It's an analog synth...sounds created from electricity...no pre-recorded notes...

 

[Klaus Esser]

But the sounds are ;-)

It's an analog synth...sounds created from electricity...no pre-recorded notes...

Hey Alain!

Great stuff!!!! Lovely sound! Do you know Wendy´s site? She (he) has a lot about Moogs. Was a friend of Bob´s.
http://www.wendycarlos.com/

best, Klaus

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Now, if I could play Bach...

That is the "Voyager" a remake of the original Moog with a lot of improved stuff such as Midi, and most of all, no tuning stability problems, which was a massive problem with the original moogs they detuned often during a performance.

Unfortunately Bob passed away last year. What would the world of music have been without his genius.

RIP Bob!

 

[Alain Briot]

Hey Alain!

Great stuff!!!! Lovely sound! Do you know Wendy´s site? She (he) has a lot about Moogs. Was a friend of Bob´s.
http://www.wendycarlos.com/

best, Klaus

No I don't but I'll be sure to check it out after typing this.

I learned about Bob Moog and the Synthesizers he created from reading news of his death... Sometimes the end is a beginning. I now own one of his creations.

 

[Ray West]

The earliest popular 'electronic organ' music that I recall was entitled 'Telstar' - a celebration of the launch of a UK communications satellite, iirc. I have a copy of the sheet music somewhere, even after 45 years. Whatever happened to the 'stylophone' the mp3 version of the moog...

This guy http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bill-Bailey-Cosmic-Jam-Bewilderness/dp/B000B8TJ3K, Bill Bailey, former teacher/comedian may be of interest/amusing. I have no knowledge of his dvd content, but if you love music, then he is your 'Marmite'. (not the French version of the word)

(Especially for Georg - google 'Marmite'...)

Best wishes,

Ray

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

On a second thought Alain, why don't you send me the moog, I can play Bach, just in case it does take up too much space for you, I gladly help you out. <smiles>

Here is a download link to a life improvisation with moogs that I played last year (8MB ~ish):

http://www.mediafire.com/?1gjz2wm22j1

 

[Alain Briot]

On a second thought Alain, why don't you send me the moog, I can play Bach, just in case it does take up too much space for you, I gladly help you out. <smiles>

http://www.mediafire.com/?1gjz2wm22j1

Ah Ah ... Here's an idea ! ;-)

I've only had it a week, I need to break it in first!

Space isn't the problem. There's lots of space here. How to play this thing is the issue! Do you have details about how you created your piece? Is it one synth or several? Played all at once in a single continuous session or a collage of several pieces?

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

(Especially for Georg - google 'Marmite'...)

I know Marmite, I always have a pot in the house, but mainly to kill rats and other unwanted visitors.... <grins>

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Ah Ah ... Here's an idea ! ;-)

I've only had it a week, I need to break it in first!

Space isn't the problem. There's lots of space here. How to play this thing is the issue!

I have no DVD at the moment, but I can teach Moogs, something like $ 975 for "Mastering the VCO" <grins>

Just kidding Alain!

 

[Alain Briot]

I know Marmite, I always have a pot in the house, but mainly to kill rats and other unwanted visitors.... <grins>

In France we only use marmites to cook in ;-)

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Is it one synth or several? Played all at once in a single continuous session or a collage of several pieces?

A variety of moogs played synchron all at once.

Do you have details about how you created your piece?

Hehehe, I could tell you, but I would have to charge you.

<....me bad today, I better leave.... grins, see, we people from cologne have a long history with the french, and surely a somewhat unique humor..... really Alain! Just kidding! >

 

[Alain Briot]

A variety of moogs played synchron all at once.

Hehehe, I could tell you, but I would have to charge you. <....me bad today, I better leave.... really Alain, grins, just kidding!>

Hey, I don't have a problem with that. The question is, how do we do it -- that's where a Moog DVD tutorial would come in handy!

 

[Alain Briot]

A variety of moogs played synchron all at once.

How many Moogs ? Maybe I should consider getting a couple more... I've been looking a the Little Phatty...

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Six moogs in that particular piece.

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Alain, spare your money on that little phatty, if you can not play piano at least to a very basic level, you will face a lot of frustration and reach dead end pretty soon, and chances are out of an enthusiastic investemtn you end up with a couple of expensive dust catchers.

But I will give you some good advise, check that out:

http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products

Look at the Moog Modular for example, if you use that plugin from within any host sowftare, another subject of course, you can just load the plugin and program and play as you would with the hardware, really, and just in cae you need another Moog Modular, you just load the plugin again, and again, and again, and again, until your MAC spits his RAM out and waves a red flag.

Now, I spend already 20 minutes here.... That makes $250 please.

Thank you for your business and do call me anytime for further teachings....

Bear <---- SLAP

... me bad... <grins>

 

[Klaus Esser]

Ah Ah ... Here's an idea ! ;-)

I've only had it a week, I need to break it in first!

Space isn't the problem. There's lots of space here. How to play this thing is the issue! Do you have details about how you created your piece? Is it one synth or several? Played all at once in a single continuous session or a collage of several pieces?

Hi Alain!

If you you use a Mac: Garage Band! Simple and fast. And GOOD!

best, Klaus

 

[Alain Briot]

Hi Alain!

If you you use a Mac: Garage Band! Simple and fast. And GOOD!

best, Klaus

I have that. It's a great program. Thanks for the tip. Create many moog channels and merge them...

 

[Klaus Esser]

On a second thought Alain, why don't you send me the moog, I can play Bach, just in case it does take up too much space for you, I gladly help you out. <smiles>

Here is a download link to a life improvisation with moogs that I played last year (8MB ~ish):

http://www.mediafire.com/?1gjz2wm22j1

Hi Bear!

Again: fine film-music! Slow sequence, long lens, waving slowly over a dune or ocean waves . . . .
I like the soundfield - deep and dimensional.

best, Klaus

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

But just in case Alain.... if you can play piano to a certain level, I seriously suggest you get yourself this one, not kidding:

http://www.karma-lab.com/oasys/o_main.html

Costs around 8K, and if you should consider it, let me know, I know Stephen Kay personally and have some good contacts to Korg USA to arrange a demonstration should be no problem. It is the best workstation on the market, probably the best ever produced so far.

This advise was for free, well not really, it was included in the $250.

;o)

 

[Alain Briot]

"Alain, spare your money on that little phatty, if you can not play piano at least to a very basic level, you will face a lot of frustration and reach dead end pretty soon, and chances are out of an enthusiastic investemtn you end up with a couple of expensive dust catchers."

That's why I chose the Voyager - I thought the LP wouldn't work for me.

But I will give you some good advise, check that out:

"http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products

Look at the Moog Modular for example, if you use that plugin from within any host sowftare, another subject of course, you can just load the plugin and program and play as you would with the hardware, really, and just in cae you need another Moog Modular, you just load the plugin again, and again, and again, and again, until your MAC spits his RAM out and waves a red flag."

Do you need a keyboard to play the software moog?

"Now, I spend already 20 minutes here.... That makes $250 please. "

I'm way more affordable. Only $300 per hour. You're at $750 ;-)

 

[Klaus Esser]

I have that. It's a great program. Thanks for the tip. Create many moog channels and merge them...

Bear´s Arturia link is great! The modules sound very fine.

best, Klaus

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

I'm way more affordable. Only $300 per hour. You're at $750 ;-)

I started studying Music with 10 years. Hence the price difference. ;o)

Well, yeah, you can basically setup a complete orchestra, the real thing, just with computer and one "Masterkeyboard", no pun intended, this is really called MASTER keyboard. ;o)

At reasonable costs of roughly 10K you can get the entire vienna symphonic orchestra, and have it at your disposal. --->
http://www.vsl.co.at/

 

[Alain Briot]

Six moogs in that particular piece.

Software Moogs? -- Arturia ?

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Yeppers, and I should really add just improvised with no intend to create a "masterfile".

See, with increasing CPU power the mathematical emulation of synths is getting better and better, Arturia are one of the many who are on the forefront of development in this field.

I come from synths back from the 70s, and well today I have one masterkeyboard and a couple of terabytes of samples and plugins. There are advantages and disadvantages to be considered, depends on what you want to do.

The quality of plugins provided and samples avaliable today is superb and it is getting better now that quad CPU's become mainstream soon.

 

[Georg R. Baumann]

Take this here as another example, also from my improvisations folder, not a single hardware synth used here, it is all software.....

To stick with photoshop terminology, I "layer" sounds, press record and play.... (5Mb ~ish)

http://www.mediafire.com/?fntyzymtze0

 

[Alain Briot]

Nice. Can I use my "wood & relays" Moog as a master keyboard with Arturia software?

 

[Klaus Esser]

At reasonable costs of roughly 10K you can get the entire vienna symphonic orchestra, and have it at your disposal. --->
http://www.vsl.co.at/

Bear!

Did you try it? I listened to the Faurés sample - fine! I´m out of recording business for quite a time and would have liked to work with it . . !
For soli it doesn´t work fine . . but as tutti . . good. Even the strings.

best, Klaus