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Headshots for critique...

Shane Carter

New member
Some headshots for a friend, theatre singer. Still sort of new to strobes, this was my fourth sitting using them. Sports is my main thing. Going for a tradtional style shoot. Even light was the goal, but maybe mix it up next time. A softbox to camera left, mostly about f18-f20, umbrella mostly straight on with black cover off and reversed, hairlight was a 22' dish with grid and soc, about f18. The soc really brought down the intensity. She is coming back next week and we will do an 'informal' set so she can see what look she likes best. Critiques encouraged, thanks.

Cropped this to 8x10 so she could use it, but this was how it was shot.
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Steve Stone

New member
I'm no lighting expert at all Shane but from shots I've seen from others to compare with these look pretty good. She's a pretty subject and you did her justice. The third shot has her left eye just a little darker than the right. It's got to be a shadow thing but you might try to touch that eye up to match the other.

Steve
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Yes, Steve is right! Pretty woman you have shown well.

In fact, Shane this is a further progression of your portrait journey.

Some points: you would like to make the eyes equally illuminated but here you can simply select the area to be lightened on a new layer and then feather the edge and add back 30-60% of what you thought you needed. That way the change will be subtle.

Similarly, look at the clack dress. One can consider selecting the suit and copying it as a separate layer and optimizing it so that all the texture of the material, the wispy femininity of the the bow and the edges of the cloth. When you have done this, add back again 30% to 60% of that defining layer so it adds character but is not distractingly perfect.

The has has patches of total loss of detail. This could be a JPG artifact but also might be from your corrections or else a change from a small to a large color space or doing edits in 8 BITS.

All this aside, you haver made delightful and impressive pictures.

Did you make them in RAW? If so they can be delivered prepared to perfection!

Major improvements!

Asher
 

Shane Carter

New member
I'm no lighting expert at all Shane but from shots I've seen from others to compare with these look pretty good. She's a pretty subject and you did her justice. The third shot has her left eye just a little darker than the right. It's got to be a shadow thing but you might try to touch that eye up to match the other.

Steve

Thanks Steve and will give it a try...but my PS skills are so basic that I tend to do more harm than good. :)
 

Shane Carter

New member
Thanks Asher for the detailed comments!

I have a question that you Steve created for me...if one uses various ratios, is not one eye always going to be lit more than another?

My goal with this kind of shooting is the same as with my sports work, get it right in-camera.

So with that in mind, please explain the concept and how to do it without a computer...my guess is that I'm not yet understanding a basic idea...but I want to understand it!

Thanks Asher for yet another insightful critique! :)
 
Some headshots for a friend, theatre singer. Still sort of new to strobes, this was my fourth sitting using them. Sports is my main thing. Going for a tradtional style shoot. Even light was the goal, but maybe mix it up next time. A softbox to camera left, mostly about f18-f20, umbrella mostly straight on with black cover off and reversed, hairlight was a 22' dish with grid and soc, about f18.

A general impression, besides appreciating an image of a beautiful looking person, although it might just 'reflect' my personal preferences, the cropping at the top edge seems a bit tight on #s 1, 2, and 4 (#3 is border-line, for my taste ).

The soc really brought down the intensity.

Assuming the 'soc' is the fill light. I've been tought, and still agree, that the fill light makes the intended image's 'lighting contrast'. Lighting contrast multiplied with subject contrast equates to total image contrast (which defines atmosphere, to cut a few subjective corners).

I've also been tought (some 33 years ago), and (still) agree, that placing the fill lights at (or slightly above, for practical reasons) the lens position, and/or rather slightly at the same lateral side of the main light, adds to the lighting contrast applied to the shadow side of the subject.

Bart
 

Shane Carter

New member
A general impression, besides appreciating an image of a beautiful looking person, although it might just 'reflect' my personal preferences, the cropping at the top edge seems a bit tight on #s 1, 2, and 4 (#3 is border-line, for my taste ).

Assuming the 'soc' is the fill light. I've been tought, and still agree, that the fill light makes the intended image's 'lighting contrast'. Lighting contrast multiplied with subject contrast equates to total image contrast (which defines atmosphere, to cut a few subjective corners).

I've also been tought (some 33 years ago), and (still) agree, that placing the fill lights at (or slightly above, for practical reasons) the lens position, and/or rather slightly at the same lateral side of the main light, adds to the lighting contrast applied to the shadow side of the subject.

Bart


Thanks for chiming in Bart and for the observations! Yes, the chopped off head seems to a bit of a controversy for some other folks as well. When I look at shots of NY photogs that do this for Broadway actors, these are inline with that. When I look at headshots for actors in the DC area, they don’t chop off the heads at all. A dilemma. Next time will go for the middle ground as you suggest with a little less chopping, but still chop a bit. :)

The fill light here was an umbrella reversed and with the black cover removed to reduce its intensity. It was literally right next to my camera just to my right. I tried some shots with the main and fill on camera right but for some reason, they had less appeal to my eye…but will try again, could have been the ratio was too even between the lights.

The main light was a softbox that was above her head but when she stood up for what is posted, I did not move it up that much. If you look at the catchlights, 3 was her sitting and the lights were positioned as you describe. 4 was her standing and you can see the fill does what you suggest, but the main could have gone higher.

The big criticism I’ve heard is that the ratio was not strong enough…this was 2:1 with the main/fill and there is not enough contrast, and I think you are saying that too. Next time I’m to going to do 3:1 or maybe 4:1. For headshots I have to be careful because one goal for directors is that they need to see the total shape of the face in the quick 2 seconds they look at any photo in the big pile before them at auditions. Too high of a ratio and they cannot easily see the shape in a quick glance. Too little and there is not enough contrast for interest. This batch is not enough contrast.

Would love to hear you take on this and what a good ratio would be for a headshot given its purpose in this case. :) I want to improve her shots at the next session

The soc is the name of the Speedotron product that is simply a diffuser that is shaped like a thin white cloth hairnet. It goes over the beauty dish which is the hairlight in these. In this case, there was a grid on the beauty dish to narrow the beam and lessen the spill forward and keep it off the background, and the diffuser made the light much less harsh. I’ve seen people use variations on softboxes or striplights for hairlights with nice effect…may have to get one of those some day and give it a whirl. :) This light was positioned directly above her and slightly behind. I followed a trick I learned from someone here to turn off the other lights and bring the hairlight forward until you see it on the nose and eyebrows, and then back it off a bit so that you get none of its light on the face. That seemed to work as intended. :)

Thanks again for your thoughts, OPF is a great place to learn!
 

Ray West

New member
Hi Shane,

I wonder if the head crop is due to getting the eyes to a sort of 'rule of thirds' type composition. I did not notice it, until you mentioned it wrt Bart's comments. If there was more of the upper body showing, then it could be balanced by more head, but the important facial details would be smaller, of course.

Best wishes,

Ray
 

Shane Carter

New member
Hi Shane,

I wonder if the head crop is due to getting the eyes to a sort of 'rule of thirds' type composition. I did not notice it, until you mentioned it wrt Bart's comments. If there was more of the upper body showing, then it could be balanced by more head, but the important facial details would be smaller, of course.

Best wishes,

Ray

Hi Ray, good point on the balance. Of those above, my fav is the first. Here is that same shot cropped to 8x10 so it might be used as a headshot...what do you think?

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Kathy Rappaport

pro member
Portrait Learning Mode

Shane -

I think the series is wonderful. As far as "cut off" heads, I do that frequently - I like the look as it draws the eyes right to the face. Your request for c&c has brought some informative answers. I love learning when people post their questions!
 

Shane Carter

New member
Shane -

I think the series is wonderful. As far as "cut off" heads, I do that frequently - I like the look as it draws the eyes right to the face. Your request for c&c has brought some informative answers. I love learning when people post their questions!

Hi Kathy, thanks for the comments. True about drawing the eyes to the face, it really focuses the attention and not sure the hair on top of the head is all that interesting...especially in this case, she has attention-getting eyes. And also true that learning from others here is wonderful! OPF and Asher are on the job! He mentioned at one point when I first joined that posting intent and mechanics is part of the critiques here...and it works. :)
 

Ray West

New member
Hi Shane,

I have no experiance in the headshot thing that you are doing, but if the recent crop is meant to comply with the idea of 'rule of thirds' then it will need much tighter cropping. I've tried it, I'm not sure if it is any more appealing, but it is of course your choice as to whether it is suitable or not. Personally, if I am looking at a face, then I would like to see the face, I would not be interested in 'the black', but it depends on how these things are viewed by the people who matter, of course.

Best wishes,

Ray
 

Ray West

New member
Hi Shane,

I thought i could do something to show what I was banging on about, but got a crash in the rubbish cad software I use - hence the white rectangle below, couldn't even screen print, so took a photo.....

Anyway, as it happens, if both eyeballs are at the third crossing, the teeth are on another third line, crop pretty tight (green line). opened out a bit to get one eye on third crossing (red), or as you had nothing on any third (blue). Not saying any of this is as it should be - have to rush, but thought it may be of interest...

Best wishes,

Ray


thirds.jpg
 
The big criticism I’ve heard is that the ratio was not strong enough…this was 2:1 with the main/fill and there is not enough contrast, and I think you are saying that too. Next time I’m to going to do 3:1 or maybe 4:1. For headshots I have to be careful because one goal for directors is that they need to see the total shape of the face in the quick 2 seconds they look at any photo in the big pile before them at auditions. Too high of a ratio and they cannot easily see the shape in a quick glance. Too little and there is not enough contrast for interest. This batch is not enough contrast.

Would love to hear you take on this and what a good ratio would be for a headshot given its purpose in this case. :) I want to improve her shots at the next session

It's hard to pick some magic ratio that will work in all cases. It also depends a bit on the subject and, as you said, on the use of the image. Modest ratios like 2:1 or 3:1 are a good starting point, but also remember that you can achieve some of that effect in postprocessing. Nicolas Claris' Photoshop 'Sharpening' action achieves a pleasant adaptive tonemapping adjustment that adds a bit of contrast.

Bart
 

Barry Johnston

New member
Headshots...

Hello Shane,
I think all these shots are fantastic, and she certainly is a beautiful woman.

Though, I'd like to know how much PP was done to her face.
I think that some headshots, from what I have seen and studied, like to be very natural with relaxed surroundings. Many headshots are just taken in a coffee shop or somehwere that relates to what she does in everyday life, possibly related to his/her hobby perhaps. In many cases, they leave blemishes, such as moles or other distinguishing marks very visible on the face without any make-up or PP at all.

In all, I think your photos are of a much higher standard to most of the headshots I have come across.... Well Done !!

Cheers,
Barry.
 

Tim Armes

New member
My goal with this kind of shooting is the same as with my sports work, get it right in-camera.

Hi Shane,

Is that just a goal, or are you wishing to avoid post-processing at all costs?

At the risk of starting a big discussion about the ethics of retouching, I think that you should indeed be aiming to achieve as much in camera as possible, but that it's important to accept that post-processing is an important step in the creation of a great photograph, especially one like this.

I believe that the ingredients that make up a good photo are:

1) Subject
2) Composition
3) Lighting
4) Timing
5) Post processing

The amount of each will vary from photo to photo, but post-processing should have its place. Even journalistic photos will often need a boost (although I imagine that many photojournalists do this in camera - it's still post processing).

Tim

P.S. I like the second one best.
 
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