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5D not Pro?

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Dan Lovell

New member
Ben Rubinstein said:
CPS classify the 10D as a pro body, in other words when you have spent that much on a body they are happy to let you into the club.

The 5D has a great chip but the focus is anything but pro standard, the build is lacking any pro features, etc, etc.
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I disagree...the 10D is not a pro body, and the fact that CPS allows it to participate in their policies does not make it a pro body. The 10D is a consumer body that is capable of pro grade work (in it's time). It is a consumer body that CPS allows to work within it's policies.
 
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Dan Lovell

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The 5D is a consumer body that is capable of providing pro-grade quality images. The 5D is a consumer body used by thousands of pros. The fact that it is used by pros and provides pro grade image does not make it a pro body. In fact, IMHO the 5D provides the best image quality of ANY Canon DSLR save for the recent Mark III, and yet the 5D is not even a pro body...imagine that! Makes me happy, being a 5D owner.

Still, I wish it were covered in the 1D series forum :-(
 
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Charles L Webster

pro member
Why agonize over such things. As long as the 5D is eligible for CPS, and you can make "pro" quality images with it, what difference does it make?

If it were not eligible for CPS, then it would be an issue for the zillions of pros who use it.
 
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Matt Needham

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A professional camera is a camera used by a photographer to earn money. In competent hands a Pentax K1000 is a gold mine; in not-so-competent hands a Canon 1Ds MkII is a waste. Who cares what Canon thinks; their labels are used to increase camera sales, and have little to do with actual photography. But I guess photographers have been worrying about it since the beginning...

"Let me here call attention to one of the most universally popular mistakes that have to do with photography - that of classing supposedly excellent work as professional, and using the term amateur to convey the idea of immature productions and to excuse atrociously poor photographs. As a matter of fact nearly all the greatest work is being, and has always been done, by those who are following photography for the love of it, and not merely for financial reasons. As the name implies, an amateur is one who works for love; and viewed in this light the incorrectness of the popular classification is readily apparent." -Alfred Stieglitz, in 1899
 
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Nikolai Sklobovsky

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I remember there was a discussion long time ago in one long forgotten forum about when would you call a person"a professional". My meager attempts to say that anybody who can have a sustained living doing certain things should, in fact, called a professional were discarded in favor of some (quite vague, IMHO) concepts as "high quality) (who decides?), "manneurism" (like this ever did count) and other BS...

Back to the cameras... Those 1D bodies are heavy duty tools. They can withstand the abuse (at least, that's what they are supposed to). They should not break as easily.
But by no means they define a professionalim, or even quality, of a person who uses them. It's just most likely that a pro would invest into those heavy duty tools that can give him/her a competitive edge and thus allow to sustain that level of life s/he is accustomed to...

FWIW
 
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John_Nevill

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To quote wiki

"A professional is a worker required to possess a large body of knowledge derived from extensive academic study (usually tertiary), with the training almost always formalized."

I've always struggled with the concept that in order to be deemed a "professional" , one's prime income should be derived for their profession. I know many people who are respected professionals in science, literature and art, yet their prime income is sourced elsewhere.

IMO, its a "barrier to entry" ruse.

Perhaps this is topic for provocative thoughts.
 
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Jack Joseph Jr

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I can't believe it. I've come back from being out of town for a couple of days and people are still arguing mindlessly about this stupid thread's topic! One definition of a "pro" is a photographer who would not engage this argument on either side. A "pro" would also not entertain the equally dumb question as to whether a "pro" shoots RAW or JPGs.
 
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Nikolai Sklobovsky

New member
Jack Joseph Jr said:
I can't believe it. I've come back from being out of town for a couple of days and people are still arguing mindlessly about this stupid thread's topic! One definition of a "pro" is a photographer who would not engage this argument on either side. A "pro" would also not entertain the equally dumb question as to whether a "pro" shoots RAW or JPGs.
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Since it looks like Jack was in a hurry, I'm adding a bunch of smileys he forgot to put himself in his message...
Here:
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Use as many or as little as your taste requires... :)
 
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Nick Rains

pro member
The 5D will longer be considered fully eligible for CPS - at least here in Australia. It only counts as one of the 2 pro bodies needed IF you already have a 1D type body as primary. Also, the 5D will not be replaced whilst under service like a 1 Series would be.

This is from the latest letter from Canon Australia, don't know about the US.

Nick Rains
 
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Jack Joseph Jr

New member
Nikolai Sklobovsky said:
Since it looks like Jack was in a hurry, I'm adding a bunch of smileys he forgot to put himself in his message...
Here:
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Use as many or as little as your taste requires... :)
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No smileys needed here. I find it odd that people here are apparently seriously arguing over this subject. Some are treating "pro" as if it means "making money from". Others are using "pro" to mean "of a certain level of competence".

And of course I didn't need to put myself in my own message. I'm not taking a side in the non-debate. Whether I'm at home photographing family members or at work shooting basketball I may pickup my 5D or my 1D2N depending on which body works better for a particular kind of shot. "Pro" or not? Give me a break!
 
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tim_darwish

New member
My 4x5 doesn't really keep the dust out and I can't take it out in the rain so i guess it not a pro body and my Canon F1 only has a one point autofocus (my eye) but I guess that doesn't qualify it as pro either.
 
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Theo Wallis

New member
Jack Joseph Jr said:
I can't believe it. I've come back from being out of town for a couple of days and people are still arguing mindlessly about this stupid thread's topic! One definition of a "pro" is a photographer who would not engage this argument on either side. A "pro" would also not entertain the equally dumb question as to whether a "pro" shoots RAW or JPGs.
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This is the best reply in this thread! I concur. Would a professional be bothered about spending time arguing about this topic!?
 
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