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Beyond photography - Decaying Corn Lilies

Guy Tal

Editor at Large
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This is part of a personal project I've been playing with called "Beyond Photography". I'm trying to marry various techniques in the production of a print. Obvious here is the photograph as a base, then some digital effects. Ultimately I plan to print on heavy rag watercolor paper and paint over parts of it.

When working this area I had Georgia O'Keefe's flower images on my mind though admittedly I have not managed to even come close to the sensuous flow of her creations. May be a Y-chromosome thing.

Guy
 
Guy Tal said:
When working this area I had Georgia O'Keefe's flower images on my mind though admittedly I have not managed to even come close to the sensuous flow of her creations. May be a Y-chromosome thing.

I like the elements of this image, but as you noted, there is no flow to the composition. What was the reason you pressed the shutter for this one? What mitigated that choice?

IMO (I am not humble ;o), the composition itself lacks life. The arangement of the elements is very static. As I look at each element, they grab my eyes and hold them there. This yields a lifeless image. Within a flowing composition one will subtle elements of body language in each element the eye rests upon that urge you to look elsewhere in the image. And following this urge, your eyes move elsewhere, land, take in the scene, and then move one. This is not an X-Y thing, it is visual.

In other terms, the objects themselves are interesting but I do not feel any relationship between them being express here. Each of the four primary blossoms contains leading lines/body language that leads the eyes out of the frame.

Taking the elements at hand and visualizing an ideal composition the blooms body language would create leading lines that draw the eyes from one bloom to the next, with perhaps one bloom having body language that does not achieve this goal. Instead, about that last bloom it would be good to have the blades of grass about it modify/expand the body language to complete the circuit. This last would take a picture of flowers and expand it to be flowers in the grass and tie the two elements (blooms and blades) together into a cohesive whole.

That said, this is criticism and sometimes I can do this. And sometimes I fail. And the visual flow of an image need not not have only one circuit/orbit, it could have many which creates a more complex image.

Here is an example that I think works.



The three leaves have a flow to them. The upper left flows to the right leaf with the green behind it and the partial leaf forming the upper left side grounding it and preventing flow to the left. The right leaf is cropped such that it is left with lines flowing down and to the left. The lower left leaf is cropped to make it static with minimal leading lines which is buttressed by the color change to green which pulls the eyes upwards along the stem of the leaf back to the first leaf. Selective focus neutralizes the right side's corners to soften any leading lines. Although, I feel that even in defocus the leading lines at upper right lead to the in focus leaf at right.

I am not perfectly happy with the lower right corner, but other compositional issues came into play and compromise must be made.

All that said about why I think it works, that was not the thinking I used before taking the shot. While shooting I chose the elements to shoot and then picked the exact angle to hide distractions in the defocus area behind in focus elements and went with it because it felt right. Many times I find wondrous things in fabulous light where there is no composition that feels right. In the field, I go with the visceral feel of a composition and worry about the analysis later as I know that if it feels wrong, then 98% of the time it is wrong. And about 2% of the time when it feels right, it does not feel right later. This is the aspect of found art versus still lifes. Found art is real and it is your vision that brings it forward and separates it from the confusing morass of detail that is the universe.

Any criticism of this image would be appreciated.

Anyway, this is in not to say any one thing is right or wrong, but just one persons rationalizations (conversion of feeling to thought not the negative contextualization of the word) and feelings about the image and some critical thought to go with it.

enjoy, :eek:)

Sean
 

Guy Tal

Editor at Large
Thanks Sean! Some great points for me to ponder. What made me capture the image were the brush-stroke patterns in the leaves and having found a composition that fit evenly enough within the frame that I could treat it as an abstract collection of colors and lines (as opposed to including much else that would have bound me to the literal elements or the environment I cropped the image out of).

I like your image very much but you seem to have taken the opposite approach - enhance and emphasize the finest of detail of the literal elements and relying on their natural beauty and arrangement to elicit a response. You certainly succeded - I was impressed when it appeared on my screen.

Given these two approaches I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on this image. Similar subject matter, but here I actually did try to rely on detail and to find a deliberate arrangement though I suspect it may be a bit subtle (or obscure):

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Guy
 

Mark Graf

New member
Guy Tal said:
May be a Y-chromosome thing.

Guy

And maybe something we can never accomplish without dosing up on estrogen! :)

I like the leaf one much better. Electric green just doesn't sit well with me as a personal preference.
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Not that I want to make Sean to cocky, but his red maple leaves are really wonderful!

Now what is that liquid on the leaves! I hope you didn't stoop to actually spray drops of your own
beer or tea on them!

Asher
 
Hi Guy,

I have a reply mentally pictured, but the energy to craft it has gone to those paying me money. But I do intend to give you a full reply. But emotionaly based criticism rather than shooting from the hip philosophy and smart-a$$ quips takes a certain mental place (and a fair bit of time to create). I found your response insightful and I want to know what you think on this issue.

all the best,

Sean
 
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Asher Kelman said:
Not that I want to make Sean to cocky, but his red maple leaves are really wonderful!

Now what is that liquid on the leaves! I hope you didn't stoop to actually spray drops of your own
beer or tea on them!

Thanks Asher. :) As to making Sean too cocky, you are years too late (if not decades) as I have had a size 32 ego for a long time. That said, I do appreciate when people call me on being too blatent/egotistical/sweeping/... in my rhetoric. It may raise the hackles on my spine for a bit, but it also makes me think. I was once arguing with some friends and ended with a strong rhetorical "and you cannot dispute that" or something similar. They all went silent and I was stunned. They had accepted my rhetoric rather than accepting it as just that, rhetoric. This is partly me, and partly mathematical training which lends me a strong and "indisputable" rhetoric even when I am wrong (I learned in my 20's that I without question did not know it all and never would as the more I learn, the less I realize I know). When I asked why they all shut up, they told me my rhetoric (and likely verbally visible conviction) swayed them to not argue (in math courses hardcore arguing that way is normal course even if you are out of the ballpark wrong ;o) ).

As to the liquid. It was sunset after a long day of rain (my 90 mile drive that day was miserably wet) and suddenly the rain stopped, the sun dropped below the clouds [well in truth it was filtered through a thinner layer of clouds]) I stepped outside and the rain had stopped, the light was soft and gentle, and the world was coated with drops of water. From seeing the vision to going to the car, getting my gear, going back inside and getting set up to go back outside and shoot took about 15 minutes. The light and world were still a joy to behold. This shot was my choice from about 100 images (of many species and scales of shots). This shot was the vision that made me get my gear out. It was shot with a prosumer digicam, tripod, and wireless shutter release. Much effort was made in choosing the foreground and simplifying the background. The other shots were all failures, but the inspiring scene that got me shooting panned out.

This shot is one where a 3.3 MP shot would make a failed 8x10 print. But the 5 MP shot made a fantastic 8x10. And it would likely make an adequate 16x20 (good composition with lackluster detail) which could be improved slightly by the addition of noise. This latter idea of adding noise has limits on usage before it becomes "just a bunch of noise" becaue sharp details have specular highlights and shadow noise from textures which adding noise appears very similar to up to a point. Selectively adding nose can actually let one craft the perception of sharpness in mildly out of focus areas (i.e., shift critical focus a small bit).

All that said, as to creating drops on my own, it is something I have considered but not succeeded at (concentrated suger water is not good enough IMNRHO). I have an uncle I periodically catsit for (down to 1 from 3 cats, it saddens me) who had me give insulin shots to the eldest cats (a 15 pound wasted and skinny monster sized cat who chased offf coyotes in his prime whom I once scolded for wandering about the house with a baby bunny in his mouth like a kitten). I need to find out if he still has the insulin syringes as the tiny needles and 0.5 cc capacity makes a great tool for making and placing my own drops. Mix this tool with 90%+ pure glycerin and I should be able to craft thing that hit 80-90% of the quality of what nature does on her own. Not that I will ever match nature, but I wll be able to do it when she crafts the best light which will hide some of my contrived effort.

enjoy your day,

Sean
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Well Sean, that made me get another two Czech Pilsners! At this rate I'll have to go to Belgian beer, those one's with the champagne cork because it still is brewing with live yeast bugs, all the way from a cellar where Trappists monks with no underwear, meditate and make my reserve beer!

If I was really smart I would analyse your writing and understand something important about the human mind, about genius and even the unibomber! I know there is something embedded in your writing that is special. I just haven't prepared my mind well enough. Maybe I should be drinking a different beverage altogether!

Yes, I know what it is like to stop, grab your gear and catch that special shot.

That I'm sure could be printed huge and still be impressive. Just dont worry about noise. Imageprint and a 9800 will solve your doubts!

Asher
 
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