Don Ferguson Jr.
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I posted this in color and with LR did it B&W . The foreground may be a little too black now I see it .
What do y'all think ?
Thanks
Don
What do y'all think ?
Thanks
Don
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Black and white Balsam Knob
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Asher Kelman
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Wll, Don, I like it!
The area I'd have more concern is the left 2/3 of the photograph's dark mid-field. There's detail there. I'd look to trying to optimize the detail, brightness, distrivution of tones aand contrast. Lightzone would seem ideal for this.
Same with the clouds. Great that you have guarded and preserved the higlight detail. If you can do more with lightzone there, too, that would be great.
Asher
Could you re/post the oriignal color and B&W and explain how you did the conversion?
Don Ferguson Jr.
Well-known member
Thanks Asher ,I will post the color one later and I will use LR to tone down green as it has individual sliders in Lightroom and will post how it looks too .
Regards
Don
Regards
Don
Don Ferguson Jr.
Well-known member
Asher here is color I have to work on B&W more and will post later.
Thanks
Don
Thanks
Don
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Great in color too. You certainly seem to have brought back detail in the clouds in the B&W. Good job!
That shows the color version might be improved by blending back the B&W.
Asher
That shows the color version might be improved by blending back the B&W.
Asher
Hi Don,
I think you are right with the B&W, the foreground could probably be a fair bit lighter. The sky is fine, but there is a sort of annoying vertical line about a quarter of the way in from the rhs. This is just how the gaps in the two lowest layers of clouds and the shadow of the ones above line up, just a freak of nature and the B&W rendering of the colour image.
Best wishes,
Ray
I think you are right with the B&W, the foreground could probably be a fair bit lighter. The sky is fine, but there is a sort of annoying vertical line about a quarter of the way in from the rhs. This is just how the gaps in the two lowest layers of clouds and the shadow of the ones above line up, just a freak of nature and the B&W rendering of the colour image.
Best wishes,
Ray
Don Ferguson Jr.
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Thanks Asher not sure what you mean about this action . Can you clarify more ?
Don
Don Ferguson Jr.
Well-known member
Yea I will work on it in LR ,which is amazing . You are right about the clouds I examined them more and I do not see how to change that part of pic . Printed in color it is not noticable.
My little Epson RX 600 cannot do good black and white but I think I will get a local lab that does good printing to do it as I really like the sky in both at larger print size. I wonder about little noise I do not have noise ninja and if bought one would get Noiseware since NN softens too much . If I get them to enlarge they can look at that . It looks pretty good without noise at 8x10 in color.
Thanks
Don
Don Ferguson Jr.
Well-known member
I pulled green back . I think this is lightest I can go . What do you think Asher and Ray ? B&W is new to me .
Thanks
Don
Hi Don,
For me, the last one is better by far. I think I would try, but be prepared to throw it out, selecting the foreground with a mask, and brighten it even more, possibly just drop in the colour version of that area (that may look odd, no idea unless you try it - coloured foreground, B&W the rest of the image.) wrt. the clouds' line, then I'd probably use the clone tool.
The image works quite nicely if the bottom is cropped off, (height now 4 inches, crop off bottom 0.75 inches) leaving just some of the grasses in the bottom rh corner. However, of what I am saying, I may not say if I was looking at a full size print, just trying possibilities.
Best wishes,
Ray
For me, the last one is better by far. I think I would try, but be prepared to throw it out, selecting the foreground with a mask, and brighten it even more, possibly just drop in the colour version of that area (that may look odd, no idea unless you try it - coloured foreground, B&W the rest of the image.) wrt. the clouds' line, then I'd probably use the clone tool.
The image works quite nicely if the bottom is cropped off, (height now 4 inches, crop off bottom 0.75 inches) leaving just some of the grasses in the bottom rh corner. However, of what I am saying, I may not say if I was looking at a full size print, just trying possibilities.
Best wishes,
Ray
Don Ferguson Jr.
Well-known member
Ray,
Thanks for suggestions . I am not real good PP so if I did more it would be with mask . I can use a mask like PS has with PSE3 since I have Grants Tools .
I cannot print B&W well on my Epson and get larger print then 8x10 so I will put tiff on CD and let my local printer give me a proof of both color and B&W . I do not think I will ever get a better pic of the clouds up there so I am framing this one.
Do you have noise with B&W ? I think it is ok .
Regards
Don
Thanks for suggestions . I am not real good PP so if I did more it would be with mask . I can use a mask like PS has with PSE3 since I have Grants Tools .
I cannot print B&W well on my Epson and get larger print then 8x10 so I will put tiff on CD and let my local printer give me a proof of both color and B&W . I do not think I will ever get a better pic of the clouds up there so I am framing this one.
Do you have noise with B&W ? I think it is ok .
Regards
Don
Hi Don,
It looks fine for me, with my eyesight, my monitor, and your small jpeg. It sort of reminds me of a very large print/etch my grandfather had on his wall, it was probably made around the ww1 period, maybe before, I expect it was quite popular. iirc it was entitled 'Peace', a sort of angel in the clouds. I expect I'll be googling for the next ten minutes, trying to find it, then I will see its nothing like your image, except it was black and white. ;-)
Best wishes,
Ray
It looks fine for me, with my eyesight, my monitor, and your small jpeg. It sort of reminds me of a very large print/etch my grandfather had on his wall, it was probably made around the ww1 period, maybe before, I expect it was quite popular. iirc it was entitled 'Peace', a sort of angel in the clouds. I expect I'll be googling for the next ten minutes, trying to find it, then I will see its nothing like your image, except it was black and white. ;-)
Best wishes,
Ray