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India birds: Kutch Gujrat: Sandgrouse

Vivek Khanzode

New member
Continuing from the previous posts.... Here are some shots of the sand grouse...As always, critique is always welcome...

Chestnut breasted Sandgrouse - Male

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Chestnut breasted Sandgrouse - Female

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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Vivek,

This is a particularly handsome pair that you have managed to photograph in the same position. Excellent coloring and plumage. I'm very much enjoying your work.

Asher
 
Weird - I posted a somewhat lengthy reply earlier today, and it seemed to post normally, but now I see it's not there. Asher - have there been other lost posts??

Anyway, Vivek, I basically said that I thought these were well captured, with both birds interestingly having almost the identical pose.

In terms of critique:

As I posted in one of your other threads, I think these images would "pop" more with judicious adjustment of curves and levels. The tonal range here is fairly limited, with the result being a lack of contrast.

Regarding composition, both birds are basically centered in the frame, which in general can lead to a more "static" feel. Using the rule of thirds, giving the bird space to "look into" can produce a more dynamic impact. (This doesn't mean the rule always has to be used, but in many cases, it can be helpful.)

Finally, if you were to adopt (if logistically possible, which I realize is often not the case) a lower angle, so that you're shooting at eye-level to your subject, there can be multiple benefits. For one, the background would be much further away, and especially if combined with a wide aperture, would be blurred out. The color and texture of the ground, which are similar to the subject's, would change, effectively isolating your subject. And there could be other objects in the background with a different color, which would further enable your subject to stand out.

Hope this helps!
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Weird - I posted a somewhat lengthy reply earlier today, and it seemed to post normally, but now I see it's not there. Asher - have there been other lost posts??

Don,

It's weird but that seems to happen to me in the past week, ever since the text that appears in the edit box appears as the actual WYSIWYG for with all the posting codes in [ ] brackets no longer shown.

As I posted in one of your other threads, I think these images would "pop" more with judicious adjustment of curves and levels. The tonal range here is fairly limited, with the result being a lack of contrast.

I'm going to hopefully meet with Vivek personally in the next week or so and go over these techniques. Any further suggestions for editing would be great.

Thanks Don for giving your valued opinion. All your points are also valuable for other areas of photography.


  • Static versus active composition,
  • differentiating by color and tone from the background and
  • shooting if possible more on the subjects level, if it can work for you.

Asher
 

Vivek Khanzode

New member
Don

Thanks for the critique and sorry to hear that you lost the entire post. I am getting better at the PS every day that I use it and finally got my monitor calibrated. It was too bright and now I see that these images (actually all of these from the trip) are rather flat and could use contrast boost. Alas these are already hosted and I will have to redo the whole bunch again.

Also, as far as shooting from the ground goes, it was not really possible in this trip for a variety of reasons and almost all were shot from the car with a 500mm. These birds in particular are very shy and therefore it was a question of getting the shot or not. But, I do appreciate all your comments and there is still a lot of learning still to be done.

Asher, I will call you this weekend. Just been too busy with work. As far as the 1TB HDDs go, WD versions are quite stable now and Microcenter here in the bay area has them for 99 USD this weekend. Thanks for all your help the other day over the phone. I appreciate it.

Regards

-- Vivek

Weird - I posted a somewhat lengthy reply earlier today, and it seemed to post normally, but now I see it's not there. Asher - have there been other lost posts??

Anyway, Vivek, I basically said that I thought these were well captured, with both birds interestingly having almost the identical pose.

In terms of critique:

As I posted in one of your other threads, I think these images would "pop" more with judicious adjustment of curves and levels. The tonal range here is fairly limited, with the result being a lack of contrast.

Regarding composition, both birds are basically centered in the frame, which in general can lead to a more "static" feel. Using the rule of thirds, giving the bird space to "look into" can produce a more dynamic impact. (This doesn't mean the rule always has to be used, but in many cases, it can be helpful.)

Finally, if you were to adopt (if logistically possible, which I realize is often not the case) a lower angle, so that you're shooting at eye-level to your subject, there can be multiple benefits. For one, the background would be much further away, and especially if combined with a wide aperture, would be blurred out. The color and texture of the ground, which are similar to the subject's, would change, effectively isolating your subject. And there could be other objects in the background with a different color, which would further enable your subject to stand out.

Hope this helps!
 

Alain Briot

pro member
Nice birds :)

I corrected the white point and color balance. White point was way off, color balance slightly:

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200806_0466-AB.jpg


The blurry rocks in the foreground bother me. I tried cropping them off but that leaves too little room below the birds. I think the solution is to shoot slightly higher up above the ground next time.

ALain
 
Vivek,

...finally got my monitor calibrated. It was too bright and now I see that these images (actually all of these from the trip) are rather flat and could use contrast boost.

Excellent. This is an important step in getting good results. As Alain points out, and demonstrates, using the Histogram in Photoshop would show what was really going on, when your uncalibrated monitor was playing tricks with you. His edits show visually what I was referring to when I said these images could really "pop"!

Also, as far as shooting from the ground goes, it was not really possible in this trip for a variety of reasons and almost all were shot from the car with a 500mm. These birds in particular are very shy and therefore it was a question of getting the shot or not.

I understand exactly what you're saying here. I recently returned from a 10-day trip to Brazil, and we had to do much of our shooting from a vehicle as well. I'm editing my shots now, and am very frustrated by not having the "eye-level" shots I would like!
 

Alain Briot

pro member
Actually even with a poorly calibrated monitor setting the black and white points precisely can be done. All you need to do is add a curve in photoshop and see where the black and white points fall. they should be pretty close to 0 and 256.

A properly calibrated monitor is necessary for the grey point though since it is more of an artistic decision and less of a technical one. B and W pts are more technical decisions.
 

Vivek Khanzode

New member
Actually even with a poorly calibrated monitor setting the black and white points precisely can be done. All you need to do is add a curve in photoshop and see where the black and white points fall. they should be pretty close to 0 and 256.

A properly calibrated monitor is necessary for the grey point though since it is more of an artistic decision and less of a technical one. B and W pts are more technical decisions.

Alain

Thanks for the edits, I appreciate it. The images do "pop" now.

I think I probably have to reprocess almost all images now that I have a better flow.

Thanks again.
 
Hi Vivek,
These are very nice shots. I'm really enjoying your series on India birds. Thanks for the wonderful birds! I think your collection must be big enough for a book. Have you ever written a book, or thought of making one?

regi
 

Alain Briot

pro member
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