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Leonique

My cousin's daughter - 2 year old bundle of attitude.

Grabbed these last night in my lounge. Lighting done with 580EX, bounced and fitted with a black diffuser/shield.

More here

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Feedback.....?

Still hoping for some constructive feedback on these......

If I am wrong in asking again, please tell me.....I'm new here and still trying to get to grips with this forum - There is just so much of it.........

Regards

Johann
 

nicolas claris

OPF Co-founder/Administrator
Bonsoir Johann
there is not much to say about thes pictures, they are spot on for some nice family albums!

What kind of comments are you waiting for? Aren't you happy with them?
Correct exposure, correct skin tones… and everyone here knows that the most difficult is to have the model doing what you ask for ;-)
 

Gary Ayala

New member
Johann-

I echo Nic, everything is essentially spot-on ... trouble with bounced/reflected flash is that tends to eliminate 'all' shadows. I feel that shadows add a significant feel and drama to an image ... but how can drama can you add to a wonderful image of a happy child?

On the 2nd and last images there is a hint of shadow ... maybe a tiny bit of selecting burning, darkening the shadow areas would give these images more impact.

On the first I definately would darken the overall image and toss in some additional darkening of the OOF hands, arms, chest and background. Just be careful not to make the burning process obvious.
 
When I used to work as a magazine pj I found this very portable, very effective flash accessory calle 80/20

It works by sending 80% of the flash to bounce at the sealing and 20 % to you subject (for some shadows )

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--It is the one on the left-
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
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Johann van Rensburg My cousin's daughter

Johann,

After a certain point, lighting is not an issue and the human factor takes over. There is no need for more effort. She is lovely and they will appreciate your work. She lights the image from inside herself, from her self-absorbed innocence.

I can imagine window light with her lying on her mother's lap. However, that would be a new composition for B&W.

Asher
 

Rachel Foster

New member
I love them. My only question is about cropping (and is for my own benefit for my work): Does her entire head need be in the image or does the close crop work here?
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
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Johann van Rensburg My cousin's daughter

Rachel,

Here there is so much subject around her toy that there is inly need for sufficient of the head, not all of it. So this is peretty well perfect.

Other shots which are cropped like this but have no other substantial center of interest distracting from the head, but still have the jaw and neck, are better, IMHO, having the entire head. Of course one can crop chin and top of head. For an adult model or an old lady, one can just have an earlobe and drop earrings and lips and little more above and below and ace the photograph.

asher
 
The quest......

What kind of comments are you waiting for?

Comments re the lighting would be appreciated.

THE QUEST:

Has anybody ever told you something can not or should not be done ?
What was your reaction - immediately, 5mins later, 5 hours later, 5days later...........?

Mine usually go something like this:

- immediately - frustration
- 5mins - you're wrong and I'm right
- 5m to 5h - maybe you have a point - doubt myself, my ability, blame it on the kit/tools etc.
- but then .........
- 5h to 5 days - explore, research, go all out to prove a point (I LOVE a challenge)

We all start with a frame of reference, based on our history, our ambition and our attitude towards things, not so ?

In the domain of photography, things are no different. Every photographer, whether happy snapper, pro, artist, journalist or highly specialized have to answer the same basic question :

What do I want?
How do I get it ?
To some it up, how can I get the best result with what I have, within the limitations imposed by my circumstances?

Applied to my question, the scenario goes something like this:

I love shooting certain subjects - portrayed mostly as natural looking as possible
I have a fairly restrictive budget - so my equipment is not the very best, but adequate (average)
I want to maintain maximum mobility - basically, whatever I need for the job, I must be able to carry and use , independent from others.

This, within the lighting context brings me to the following point:

In general, the experienced will tell me that (for many reasons) you can not get the same result from Flash as you would from studio lighting equipment, and to some degree I am willing to accept that....

but.....

the studio is not a candid environment
I want to shoot my subjects on location etc etc.

That then automatically FORCES me to start thinking differently, and develop techniques suitable to the situation. With the right technique, modifiers etc, it must be possible to achieve a good result.

That is my main motivation for being here - to learn from others, but not just by observation, but rather through interaction.

So, keeping in mind that the shots posted were lit with flash, using a very specific bounce technique (also learned from elsewhere on the net), with a "bundle of energy" subject that would not sit still, and wanting a product where the negative effects of flash are minimized at the time of shooting and not afterward........Did it work ?

trouble with bounced/reflected flash is that tends to eliminate 'all' shadows. I feel that shadows add a significant feel and drama to an image ... but how can drama can you add to a wonderful image of a happy child?

Gary, if there was no way for you to know that flash was used (and not studio lighting) - If I was able to show these to you in print, what would your comment be then?


After a certain point, lighting is not an issue and the human factor takes over. There is no need for more effort. She is lovely and they will appreciate your work. She lights the image from inside herself, from her self-absorbed innocence.

I can imagine window light with her lying on her mother's lap. However, that would be a new composition for B&W.

Asher

Very true, and certainly something one always needs to keep in mind when selecting the tools for the job, and your approach to the subject. Same question as to Gary, Asher - if I presented these in print, is there anything that would have caused you to maybe think the light was not artificial ?

Sadly they were only here for a day, and live far away - I would love to try more options, especially with B&W somewhere in the plan.

I hope my response is not too arrogant/forward. If so, as always, tell me I'm an idiot.

Regards


 
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