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On Being photographers who doesn't ask permission to photograph strangers close by.

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
This topic is moved from the OP's original thread here. It has a lot of confrontation. This comes from deeply felt convictions on what constitutes such things as legal versus illegal acts and assumed rights of photographers v. the individual being photographed. A discussion with this level of obvious hostility, is hard to justify in a forum. But good formal logic is wound up and conflated with emotional assertions that are readily felt as demeaning. However, in defense of this obvious transgression is the "root of the problem", a lack of empathy for the deemed, "victims" of the street photographers' artistic fancy.

Instead of deleting this difficult and embarrassing material outright, (out of deference to a number of really good photographers who have spent their efforts on this important subject), the discussion is moved here. This region, UPTOWN, is where insult and social shock might not come as a surprise! Still the TOS applies and it may yet all be deleted if folk cannot separate logic from invective. Asher




It would appear that there is no shortage of pseudo intellects, pseudo machos, pseudo philosophers et all
that contribute to this forum.

Makes for diversity, if for nothing else..in my humble opinion.

Then there are the master purveyors of the English Language. It is easy, too easy to sit at the keyboard and seemingly argue about the right of photographers...

Interesting that most of them have never posted an image of their family here. Says a lot to me about their speak.

Then there are those that inhabit the corridors of libraries to get their kicks and photograph women. Not to forget their cheerleaders that seem to me to join them jumping up and down to get their adrenaline pumping, and issuing unwarranted platitudes to their heroes.


I ask them all..show me ( not some articulate bullshit, since similar language is now the accepted , vernacular of this forum ), how high each one of you has actuallly gone?

We know how low you have been, but show me where you have put your life on the line, where you have the courage to face death in the face, where you have exceeded what your bodies and minds are capable of bearing and then given some more.

Nay, show me half of how high a woman can go.

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Or just languish in your imaginary self esteem and continue to haunt the corridors of dark libraries photographing women and justifying such action to satisfy your fantasies.
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
If a particular thread is of no interest for you, just don't read it. There is no need to insult all the participants.
 

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
When I generally ask a question, either I expect a reply or no reply.

When others start to waffle and offer nothing substantive I usually ( and here I shall use a words used often here ) , I tell them to **** off.
 

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
Or others could get off their high horses.

Just because others feel insulted, when nothing insulting was directed towards anybody, doesn't make it so. Get off your high horse.
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
It should not come as a surprise if I feel insulted. You just issued a blanket statement that there is no shortage of "pseudo intellects, pseudo machos, pseudo philosophers" on this forum. You referred to a thread to which I participated with contempt towards the participants. You had this sentence about people who "have never posted an image of their family here", which I am pretty sure I have not. And there are also the parts about "cheerleaders" and "articulate bullshit".
 
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Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Fahim,

We are a diverse lot! The goal of this forum, besides enjoying our passion for photography, is to "hold up a lantern to ourselves and to the planet over which we claim dominion"! You do that. Let others do it too, each in their own way!

So let's just share more of our work to balance out this blip in brilliant oratory! Actually, the debate is worthy! Not everything is digestible, but that's the nature of cherries.

I will do my part!

Asher
 

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
Here is the construct Asher:

1. There is no law explicitly forbidding me ( or others ), to highly value certain actions/deeds/jobs as compared to others. I might even consider other performances with disdain. No law against a personal opinion of mine. Others might disagree. But That is their problem, not mine.

2. I can form any opinion I like about others. And even express it. So long as I do not break any law.
Someone else considers it an insult...tough. Just lump it. Or as some might say..get over it.

3. Anyone thinks I have broken any law..PROVE it.

4. I have all the license in the world to maintain that mine is the only right way. So long as I do not break any law. Ethics and morality be damned. If I stay within the explicit words of the law, others just have to lump it..or get over it.

These are the constructs that this forum empathizes with.
 

Tom dinning

Registrant*
Bless you, Fahim.
Is this the first time you've sworn at me? This is a good thing. Good for the heart, they say.
I'm probably one of those you're talking about but I'll give you a hug anyway.
****ing brilliant!
Anyway, my wife hasn't been that high but I'm always looking up to her.
Here she is in one of those intimate private moments I should never be allowed to photograph. **** that for a joke. I'm in there at every opportunity. Anyone wants privacy can stay at home.
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[/url]_DSF4274 by Tom Dinning, on Flickr}

I used to fly - hang gliders. Not any more. I now rely on higher technology. I put my trust in the ground staff to get me as high as I need.


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[/url]_DSF4719 by Tom Dinning, on Flickr}

Don't get too despondent, Fahim. We are all of the same stuff. Some just smell different.
Cheers
Tom
 

Tom dinning

Registrant*
A worthy response, Fahim.
I think the altitude might have got to you a bit, though.
Do as your doctor tells you. Keep the heart ticking. I enjoy your photos, comments and opinions. Truly.
The are as far from reality as Mohamed or God, they can only be meant tongue in cheek and surely give me a good belly laugh.
As for morals and ethics. They get in the way of me thinking straight. Too much hesitation and guilt. Courtesy is archaic.
And me! Creep! Have you seen my ugly profile lately? I couldn't creep in a porn shop. And, Oh, how I've tried.

Best wishes
Tom
 

fahim mohammed

Well-known member
Hi there Tom.

You are persistent. I would have thought that by now, you might have realized that your sucking up to me really would not gain you any traction. But you persist. You should thank your parents or blame yourself for sucking up to me to
seek some relevance. It doesn’t work that way with me.

‘ Don't get too despondent, Fahim. We are all of the same stuff. Some just smell different. ‘

Whatever gave you the idea that I am despondent. I have everything that I wanted in Life, by the Grace of Allah. Actually more..much much more.

Or maybe you feel that I am despondent because of what you have posted, or others have posted in this forum. Guess you have to conjure up some feeling of self importance to feel relevant.

‘ ….We are all of the same stuff. Some just smell different. ‘

How wrong could you be. But that just shows up your inadequacies. Let me give you a brief 101 on ‘ same stuff ‘. The human species, is made up of 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. Without burdening you with the intricacies of amino-acids, long/short arms, what 7Q2.3 means and interrupting your haunts in libraries in search of ladies to talk to, suffice to say that after this basic building block, the genetic makeup starts to differ.
Such makeup of the genetic material determines why some have green eyes, fair skin,
why a certain race of people have something on the beta and not on the alpha..but this must be getting over your head. And rightly so. My apologies.

‘ I think the altitude might have got to you a bit, though.’. Wrong again. Extensive medical tests confirm my condition is unchanged. Stable. As a side note, re: medicine..Australian medical accreditations are not really highly thought of back here. On the grade scale they come the lowest! Truly.

‘ I enjoy your photos, comments and opinions. Truly.’
There you go again Tom. Sucking up to me. It is getting embarrassing.

And all this delusional portrayal of yourself as being something or some one to whom ‘ moral and ethics..get in the way of you thinking straight ‘ is nothing but grandstanding to yourself to rise in your own self esteem. Try harder, maybe your own ego shall elevate you to some insignificant level of relevance.

Just one request Tom, please. Don’t suck up to me. I have come often enough. I am tired now. And your mouth must be full too. Wash it.

Bless you Tom.

p.s. How's that for articulation? And not one swear word or ****. Good eh?
And not even in my native language. BTW, how many languages can you converse in Tom?
Besides some rudimentary English, and ****. Note I said converse. Writing , well that would be expecting to much from you, I know. Teacher standards have gone to the dogs.

And giving oneself titles. Really Tom.!! Got that bad for you? My deepest sympathies.
 

Tom dinning

Registrant*
You can do better than that, Fahim. Why, I'm not even offended yet.
Let me give you some help.
My mother is a whore who wears army boots.
My sister sucks dicks at the docks.
My wife is so fat I need flour to find the wet spot.
My children are always confused on Father's Day.
My house is considered a WMD.

There. That should give you something to throw at me for a while.

Seriously, though, if you ever want to get it (whatever it is) just send me a note. I'm always there to listen.
Your very best friend
Tom
 

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
OPF does not like to delete anything that needed to be said. Your expression can be read. Still, I invite the posters here to ask me to have their material in this thread deleted after the participants have read what they wish.

But now please build understanding and use logic that has no underlying invective and disparaging sense to other poster here.

Asher
 

Charlotte Thompson

Well-known member
I have read through this whole thing and still can't understand anything at all! I speak English, some Spanish and a little French and am still lost-

Charlotte-
 
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