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Pre Robotic Era

April 2007, I remember it well.... I hauled a tripod with a heavy Manfrotto Panorama head and camera gear for 10 miles through deep sand, over and behind a steep dune to try something out I had on my mind. I wanted to shoot a overhead panorama and extended the tripod to maximium height.

Olympus E-1: 72 shots, 24x3 brackets.

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Joe Hardesty

New member
Georg, the panorama is a gorgeous image.

When you say "72 shots, 24 x 3" does that mean 72 individual exposures stitched together? I assume using software?

As you can tell, I have never done anything in panorama.

Both images are superb, but I am especially drawn to the first.

Joe
 
Second is just a crop from the first, I mean, this was a 5 megapixel camera.

Yes, 24 positions shot for the whole pano, each bracketed 0,+1,-1, then I stitched each exposure into a pano, then processed all three panos through HDR software.

This was the head that I used, if I recall correctly, this alone was 2.5 kilogram, I think I had around 28 kilogram worth of gear with me for that hike, the dune was the nasty part. LOL

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Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
Hi Georg,

I am having fun reprocessing old 5MP shots from my local stomping ground. :)
That, in itself, is the most important reason to shoot raw instead of jpg. So that we can re-develop our files when the raw converters and other photo editing software improve in the future. I too rediscover forgotten gems in my DAM every now and then. The arsenal of tools we have at our disposal is already awesome nowadays, and things can only get better.

PS1: My pano-hdr workflow is to do the hdr tone mapping on the individual tiles first and then to stitch as the last step. I am under the impression that it delivers slightly better results than the other way around. Perhaps Bart can comment on the technicalities of this later. But there are many ways which lead to Rome, right?

PS2: I realize that you are enjoying your new HDR software very much. The only thing to be aware of is that one gets carried away easily. The trick is to know when enough is enough and refrain from adding that last touch of local contrast. This is not a criticism as I am still wrestling with this issue myself on a daily basis ;-)


Cheers,
 
What I recently observed somewhere with +500 pages on HDR pictures was interesting.

There appears to be an obsession to make sure that no one can point a finger and state ' This was processed in HDR software!'. I find that quite funny and to me it belongs into the same department when people ask 'Did you photoshop this picture?' - No, my camera is a VERY expensive custom made version and has a fine art button that you will not find on any other camera on the market. -

A picture that is not a purist reproduction work is a expression of vision and emotion, and as such follows the photographers experience and interpretation. Simple as that.

As for Pano HDR, yeah, I read that somewhere before. This was only a quick run to see what is possible. I am no expert in HDR, I was just goofing around with it and liked what I saw. It is this playful attitude I enjoy the most, here I can spend days just goofing with some raw material to see what happens.
 

Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
Hi George,

..There appears to be an obsession to make sure that no one can point a finger and state ' This was processed in HDR software!'. I find that quite funny and to me it belongs into the same department when people ask 'Did you photoshop this picture?' - No, my camera is a VERY expensive custom made version and has a fine art button that you will not find on any other camera on the market. - .
I have no qualms on HDR, I indicate myself all the time that hdr tone mapping has been applied to my pictures. I do, however, try to do the tone mapping as naturally as possible. Not to hide the fact that it was HDR but to prevent distracting the attention of the lookers. But it is a personal choice and certainly no rule or law.

...A picture that is not a purist reproduction work is a expression of vision and emotion, and as such follows the photographers experience and interpretation. Simple as that.
Well said. We all have the freedom to express our own art as we see fit.

Cheers,
 
PS1: My pano-hdr workflow is to do the hdr tone mapping on the individual tiles first and then to stitch as the last step. I am under the impression that it delivers slightly better results than the other way around. Perhaps Bart can comment on the technicalities of this later.

As always, it depends on the situation at hand. There are several practical reasons why (HDR-)tonemapping per tile may be preferred, and there may also be positive quality consequences.

The most obvious practical benefit is that it may prove impossible to do exposure fusion or HDR assembly on multiple gigabyte sized pano files of each exposure bracket. So, to avoid having to follow different workflows for smaller versions and larger ones, doing it by tile and then stitching those seems a more logical and workable approach.

Also the quality can benefit, depending on how one shoots the tiles. Especially wide panos will have varying lighting conditions in the same scene, sometimes both front-lit and back-lit if you go wide enough. This will also result in different color balances between tiles (back-lit will have an overall cooler WB than front-lit). This can be exploited to our benefit by allowing different average exposure levels per tile (by keeping the camera on Aperture priority exposure with bracketing to span the tile's DR), and a different white balance in Raw conversion.

When one uses a liberal overlap between tiles of, say, 50%, then a proper blending engine of a decent pano stitcher can seamlessly transition between the different tile exposure/WB variations. It usually also allows to get by with fewer brackets per tile than having to cover the maximum difference found in different areas of the scene (the local DR in a tile is often smaller than the global DR of the entire scene).

Of course for relatively simple scenes, or small megapixel tiles, one may prefer to tonemap multiple panos with different exposure levels. No problem with that.

Cheers,
Bart
 
As always, it depends on the situation at hand. There are several practical reasons why (HDR-)tonemapping per tile may be preferred, and there may also be positive quality consequences.

The most obvious practical benefit is that it may prove impossible to do exposure fusion or HDR assembly on multiple gigabyte sized pano files of each exposure bracket. So, to avoid having to follow different workflows for smaller versions and larger ones, doing it by tile and then stitching those seems a more logical and workable approach.

Also the quality can benefit, depending on how one shoots the tiles. Especially wide panos will have varying lighting conditions in the same scene, sometimes both front-lit and back-lit if you go wide enough. This will also result in different color balances between tiles (back-lit will have an overall cooler WB than front-lit). This can be exploited to our benefit by allowing different average exposure levels per tile (by keeping the camera on Aperture priority exposure with bracketing to span the tile's DR), and a different white balance in Raw conversion.

When one uses a liberal overlap between tiles of, say, 50%, then a proper blending engine of a decent pano stitcher can seamlessly transition between the different tile exposure/WB variations. It usually also allows to get by with fewer brackets per tile than having to cover the maximum difference found in different areas of the scene (the local DR in a tile is often smaller than the global DR of the entire scene).

Of course for relatively simple scenes, or small megapixel tiles, one may prefer to tonemap multiple panos with different exposure levels. No problem with that.

Cheers,
Bart


Hi Bart,

your seemingly endless pool of technical knowledge is striking. You have PM! :)
 
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