This strikes me...

[Jim Galli]

campaign promise​

I have to agree with Jack. No matter who we elect, this is our promise.

For you libs, even though it's unfathomable that we would elect someone who murders his way into the state house and never bothers to vote or originate any legislation, the fact that B Hussein Obama has $65 million in his war chest to McCains $32 mil is telling. Especially since the biased media will elect him free of charge. He can keep his 65 mil with the bias coverage. Why spend it when you're getting it for free.

 

[Jack_Flesher]

Perfectly stated and illustrated Jim!

Stats gathered from the collective 1999 congress:

29 members of Congress had been accused of spousal abuse,
7 had been arrested for fraud,
19 had been accused of writing bad checks,
117 had bankrupted at least two businesses,
3 had been arrested for assault,'
71 had credit reports so bad they couldn't qualify for a credit card,
14 had been arrested on drug-related charges,
8 had been arrested for shoplifting,
21 were current defendants in lawsuits,
In 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity.

Your wonderful congress and you hard-earned tax dollars at work…

 

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Jim,

For you libs​

Oh, thank God, finally a political cliché. I thought we'd never see one here. Next we'll hear about the "Democrat Party". But I'm not hoping to see the phrase, "bleeding heart". Still, it could happen.

. . .even though it's unfathomable that we would elect someone who murders his way into the state house . . .

Well, for heaven's sake. I never realized that Barack H Obama II had been governor! He sure kept that quiet.

Tonopah is a fascinating place. I almost went to work there once. Some people are offended by its history.

How disappointing it must be to some Republicans that the most deadly military weapon of all time (actually used in warfare) was unleashed by a Democrat!

Best regards,

Doug​

 

[Doug Kerr]

An island off Hawaii

In the ongoing discussions about the possibility that Barack Obama might not be a natural-born citizen, we see mentioned the claim that he was actually born in an "island off Hawaii".

Now, that's in fact true.

Barack Obama was evidently born on an island off the island of Hawaii - namely Oahu.

Isn't language fun to play with!

It's a shame that, as a class, liberals, with their typically more moderate economic circumstances, don't so often get the kind of college education that allows them to do clever things like that.

Best regards,

Doug

 

[Nill Toulme]

...someone who murders his way into the state house and never bothers to vote or originate any legislation...

Um, I lost you there... say what?

Nill

 

[Nill Toulme]

This just in... If you can't say something nice, just state the facts. ;-)

Nill

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September 8, 2008
Rice weighs in on Palin pick
Posted: 11:13 AM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

(CNN) – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice gave CNN praise for prospective Republican vice president Sarah Palin’s qualifications this weekend.

“She’s governor of a state here in the United States,” Rice told CNN’s Zain Verjee. Asked whether Palin’s experience had adequately prepared her for the foreign policy challenges she’d face as president, she added that “there are different kinds of experiences in life that help one to deal with matters of foreign policy.”

Last month, Rice offered unqualified praise of opponent Joe Biden’s diplomatic credentials. “Biden is obviously a very fine statesman.”

The contrast fuels questions that have hung over Rice’s political loyalties this cycle, as she maintained silence over her presidential pick.

Two months ago, she told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that she had made a decision on which candidate would get her vote this fall – but that she wasn’t prepared to share who that might be.

 

[Jack_Flesher]

It's a shame that, as a class, liberals, with their typically more moderate economic circumstances, don't so often get the kind of college education that allows them to do clever things like that.

Best regards,

Doug

You mean like the education Clinton got at Yale or Gore and Obama got at Harvard?

 

[Jim Galli]

Hey guys, you're getting overheated, taking this too seriously. Think Karl Marx for a moment. If McCain wins then dies, Sarah becomes President, okay. The first Redneck, Working-Class, Comrade Sarah President in the Western world, with a Trade Union man as hubby to keep her in line if she steps out of it. And in America of all countries. It's too funny! Fidel must be laughing his socks off; Khrushchev's ghost grinning; Karl - in his Highgate Cemetery grave - on the brink of having his ideal resurrected. It's his destiny: Monty Python in real time.

With tongue in cheek,
Mike

You forgot to mention Hitler, or are we trying to avoid Godwin's law?

 

[Nill Toulme]

You mean like the education Clinton got at Yale or Gore and Obama got at Harvard?

I forget... what's the term for the mistake of logic in reasoning from the specific to the general?

Nill

 

[Jack_Flesher]

Current headline:

"John McCain bested Barack Obama 50-46 percent among registered voters in the latest USA Today/Gallup poll, jumping 11 points over his previous showing and taking his biggest lead since January.

McCain’s showing is credited in part to a well-received Republican Convention last week fueled largely by the surprise pick of McCain’s vice presidential running mate, Sarah Palin. The numbers out Monday show McCain wiped out a 7-point lead Obama received after the Democratic convention two weeks ago."

So it appears the Sarah this thread was initiated over is "working" despite the logic to the contrary that was perhaps expected here...

 

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Jack,

You mean like the education Clinton got at Yale or Gore and Obama got at Harvard?

Yes, as I said, as a class, liberals, because of their typically lower economic situation, are less likely to get that kind of education.

What is your point?

Best regards,

Doug

 

[Doug Kerr]

In any case:

"So's your old man!"

That'll fix 'em!

Doug

 

[Nill Toulme]

We rigorously observe Godwin's Law here and assiduously avoid any mention of H* who must not be named.

But... does Palinism rhyme with Stalinism? ;-)

Nill

 

[Asher Kelman]

campaign promise​

I have to agree with Jack. No matter who we elect, this is our promise.

For you libs, even though it's unfathomable that we would elect someone who murders his way into the state house and never bothers to vote or originate any legislation, the fact that B Hussein Obama has $65 million in his war chest to McCains $32 mil is telling. Especially since the biased media will elect him free of charge. He can keep his 65 mil with the bias coverage. Why spend it when you're getting it for free.

Hi Jim,

Those supposedly protective gloves ironed flat by passing trucks is an evocative image for campaign promises. Kudos for the pictures. Are they the corpses of the promises? Are they the fingers in contempt? Are these in fact us? The picture is impressive! The idea simple and strong. That I understand. I'm moved. The title directs me and the images draws me in to work on the meaning with my own capabilities and it works.

Your statement about "B. Hussein O", however, is rather stark and inflammatory. (Yes he did say yesterday in a slip that, "As a true Muslim" or words to that effect, but that's was just a mis-speak.) What is the "murder" he made all the way to he state house?

You certainly got my attention there!

Asher

 

[Jim Galli]

Hi Jim,
What is the "murder" he made all the way to he state house?

You certainly got my attention there!

Asher

Probably mis-placed poetic license referring to the skullduggery that got him elected to State office. Thanks, I think I'll print the 'gloves' for Steve Sherman's cancer fund raiser. Almost anyone on any side of the aisle can identify with the title.

 

[Rhys Sage]

We rigorously observe Godwin's Law here and assiduously avoid any mention of H* who must not be named.

But... does Palinism rhyme with Stalinism? ;-)

Nill

Ok. I'll name he who must not be named.

I will not be struck by lightning nor anything else....

Adolf Schickelgruber.

Heh. Still here!

 

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Rhys,

Ok. I'll name he who must not be named.

I will not be struck by lightning nor anything else....

Well, evidently.

Adolf Schickelgruber.

Actually, the German chancellor was born "Adolph Hitler". Schickelgruber was his grandmother's name, used for a while by his father, who was illegitimate.

Calling Adolph Hitler "Adolph Schickelgruber" was a sophomoric Allied propaganda ploy (probably invented by somebody who was rich enough to go to Harvard).

Be glad for your error, though - it has evidently saved you life.

Best regards,

Doug

 

[Nill Toulme]

...Calling Adolph Hitler "Adolph Schickelgruber" was a sophomoric Allied propaganda ploy (probably invented by somebody who was rich enough to go to Harvard).
...

Why does that make me think of people referring to Obama as Osama? ;-)

Nill

 

[Nill Toulme]

Whoops... as it appears the mere continued existence of this thread is making some people mad, I am standing down. Over and out.

Nill
(I do live here, BTW, notwithstanding my funny name. I was born and raised in the US Army.)

 

[Jack_Flesher]

Hi, Jack,



Yes, as I said, as a class, liberals, because of their typically lower economic situation, are less likely to get that kind of education.

What is your point?

Best regards,

Doug

My point was that "lower economic class" liberals don't seem to be the ones actually running for office. To be more clear, they seem to be the very RICH people only claiming to be of a lower economic class to garner votes...

--- IOW, I now get back to my original assertion that politicians, as a class, are a bunch of lying, cheating scumbags.

Best,

 

[Rhys Sage]

Why does that make me think of people referring to Obama as Osama? ;-)

Nill

Given that both Obama and Osama are both out to destroy the US - one through destruction of the constitution and the other through physical destruction, I cannot for the life of me see any difference between the pair of them.

 

[Doug Kerr]

Hi, Ryys,

Given that both Obama and Osama are both out to destroy the US - one through destruction of the constitution and the other through physical destruction, I cannot for the life of me see any difference between the pair of them.

I can't see why you think that Barack Obama is bent on destroying the US by physical destruction.

You make a good point, though,,about Osama Bin Laden destroying the constitution. He has done a good job, although of course he needed a lot of help on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Best regards,

Doug

 

[Asher Kelman]

My point was that "lower economic class" liberals don't seem to be the ones actually running for office. To be more clear, they seem to be the very RICH people only claiming to be of a lower economic class to garner votes...

--- IOW, I now get back to my original assertion that politicians, as a class, are a bunch of lying, cheating scumbags.

Best,

Jack,

First and foremost you are one of my admired photographers and I remember every one of your pictures! For politics, you are not some naive pushover. You have strong stances and these provide foil for debate. But really, are politicians, (as I myself have quipped merely politi (polite) chiens (fr. dogs), just corrupt? Sounds great, but that's not enough.

For all the easily recognized threads of truth in your statements, they come short on closer look. The great statesmen have still managed to forge a way by which we can potentially live together to promote common good. Their legislations allow free assembly, personal opinion and persuasion. You can carry a gun but I don't have to! One can pray to Jesus through Mary, another via Jesus, one in Greek, another in Latin and some not at all. Those politicians fought for all of that choice. Of course, some will line their pockets on the way. That's life with humans! Democracy is always a work in progress using the only materials and agents we have, imperfect people, like you and I, opinionated and feeling educated, privileged and rather competent.

So notwithstanding your reservations, I still think that politicians are sufficiently public-minded and responsive to us, that we eventually get on track. They do somehow cobble together solutions, (albeit with arm-twisting, shame, pay-offs, earmarked spending and other goodies). So ultimately they do get to address and hopefully balance our common needs and values, as diverse and contradictory as they
may appear.

Asher

 

[Asher Kelman]

Guys,

Now, looking at where we are in this discussion, I think it's time for a breather to see some of your fine photography. So just for now, this thread is closed. When we have earned our way with more photography, we can revisit.

Meanwhile, there's a lot here to mull over and learn from. Some are unexamined assertions and some ignored realities we don't want to face. We are all limited by our religious conviction that our take on things is on a higher plane. But are they? Once in a while we need to be pulled down a peg or too, that includes yours truly!

So just for now, this thread is closed. When the time is ripe, we'll be open again, I promise!

Thanks for your understanding and courtesy,

Asher