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November.

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief

I understand you would like me to introduce your to these ladies, Asher... Unfortunately, it is nobody I know.

Jerome,

Ladies? I do love women! I'm no snob, however, I don't take pictures of women who take their clothes off and parade themselves, like they have no value. The women depicted could, of course be actors in some play or performance art and then good luck to them. Still, these folk seem to be at an end of a spectrum for which I've neither interest not patience.They deserve respect for their humanity and whatever pains they have had to endure, or maybe they're perfectly happy. I'd never know or seek to know.

I use the term "ladies" in a different context!

I just wanted to know the story behind the picture.

Asher
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
The women depicted could, of course be actors in some play or performance art and then good luck to them.

That must be it. Rule 34: "the Internet is for performance art".


I don't take pictures of women who take their clothes off and parade themselves, like they have no value.

What a peculiar way of seeing things. It would rather seem to me that if a woman parades herself, she must be pretty much convinced that she has some value. One does not parade something of no or low value.

I suspect that you have been educated a bit too much.
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
30-11:


That picture is a bit of a cliché to terminate the series, but I am a bit running out of ideas…





It is now time to reflect on the project, I suppose. The project actually started with that thread here, where I presented a blog from Japan which I have been following lately. And I followed the blog, because I found the photographer interesting (I got 2 of her books). The photographs in her books have a freshness that appeals to me and I find some of it in the continuous stream of her blog, even if the blog is subtly different. The books always use the square format, the blog apparently uses a phone in portrait orientation. The books use film. The pictures in the books are more reflected and their order is carefully chosen.

After following the blog for a while, I wonder what made her pictures attractive. Imposing to myself a similar routine was the way to find out. So I made it public here that I would post a pic a day and try to make pictures by the same process. I did not copy her pictures (only two are on a subject she photographed herself: 5-11 and 16-11), but try to emulate her process of seeing and discovering things.

What did I find out? Well, obviously, I am not a Japanese woman with a degree in design, so there are differences. I am not really sure how to put these differences into words, but they are relatively clear to me: I don't compose my pictures in the same way, they tend to be more "geometric" (but part of that comes from the rectangle versus square format). I realise my weaknesses in using colour. I also have a weakness in that I am more abstract and less emotional.

All the pictures were taken with an iPhone and all are in portrait orientation. All the pictures were edited and uploaded on the iPhone. That was another constraint I set. Using the iPhone was both frustrating and interesting. I was surprised by its macro capabilities, for example. I hated that its focus is inconsistent (and I found surprising that nobody noted that some pictures are not correctly focussed). I wish iPhoto, which I used for editing, had a way to correct perspective. I hate that the iPhone has no way to adjust the exposure but I was surprised how much iPhoto can pull back shadows from underexposed jpegs.

I also was surprised that Cem and, to a lesser degree, Tom started a series on their own. Well, maybe Tom did not and in any case I expect him to deny everything. I feel a bit sorry for Cem, because he unknowingly chose a much more difficult project. His project is more difficult because it implies finding a new story each day. I did not do that, all I promised was a bit of colour and shapes in a frame each day and that is much easier to sustain. The flip side of that coin is of course that most of my pictures are not illustrative per se and Tom immediately pointed that out that it would be difficult to sustain interest. Which is true, but there is a trick. The original photographer sells books. One does not need to "sustain interest" once the customer has bought the book, just to produce a relatively coherent body of work.

In a nutshell: I am glad I did that project. I did not quite learn what I expected, maybe, but I certainly discovered a few things. Thank you for having followed it.
 

Rob Naylor

New member
Jerome, full marks for the 27-11
This image stands "head and shoulders" above the rest.
Quirky, humorous, cubist, colourful and composed.

Wish it was one of mine...
 

Jerome Marot

Well-known member
Thank you, Rob, but I did not bring that red container to the spot, part of the credit belongs to the person who left it there, I suppose.
 

Cem_Usakligil

Well-known member
Hi Jerome,

...It is now time to reflect on the project, I suppose. The project actually started with that thread here, where I presented a blog from Japan which I have been following lately. And I followed the blog, because I found the photographer interesting (I got 2 of her books). The photographs in her books have a freshness that appeals to me and I find some of it in the continuous stream of her blog, even if the blog is subtly different. The books always use the square format, the blog apparently uses a phone in portrait orientation. The books use film. The pictures in the books are more reflected and their order is carefully chosen.

After following the blog for a while, I wonder what made her pictures attractive. Imposing to myself a similar routine was the way to find out. So I made it public here that I would post a pic a day and try to make pictures by the same process. I did not copy her pictures (only two are on a subject she photographed herself: 5-11 and 16-11), but try to emulate her process of seeing and discovering things.

What did I find out? Well, obviously, I am not a Japanese woman with a degree in design, so there are differences. I am not really sure how to put these differences into words, but they are relatively clear to me: I don't compose my pictures in the same way, they tend to be more "geometric" (but part of that comes from the rectangle versus square format). I realise my weaknesses in using colour. I also have a weakness in that I am more abstract and less emotional....
Interesting. I have revisited Rinko Kawauchi's blog and I think that there is more than a passing resemblance between your pictures in this series and hers, not only in those two pictures you've mentioned. So your emulation of the process has delivered similar results after all. Not for every picture, but quite a bit more than just two.

Now coming to your question, what makes her pictures attractive? I think it is because her pictures show us a cross-section of life in a strange part of the world far, far away from us. Some parts of that life is utterly strange, some others are eerily familiar. So we are fascinated by the information content in these pictures. That is my theory anyway.

Now how did you conclude that you have a weakness in using color? I am curious.

...All the pictures were taken with an iPhone and all are in portrait orientation. All the pictures were edited and uploaded on the iPhone. That was another constraint I set. Using the iPhone was both frustrating and interesting. I was surprised by its macro capabilities, for example. I hated that its focus is inconsistent (and I found surprising that nobody noted that some pictures are not correctly focussed). I wish iPhoto, which I used for editing, had a way to correct perspective. I hate that the iPhone has no way to adjust the exposure but I was surprised how much iPhoto can pull back shadows from underexposed jpegs.

I also was surprised that Cem and, to a lesser degree, Tom started a series on their own. Well, maybe Tom did not and in any case I expect him to deny everything. I feel a bit sorry for Cem, because he unknowingly chose a much more difficult project. His project is more difficult because it implies finding a new story each day. I did not do that, all I promised was a bit of colour and shapes in a frame each day and that is much easier to sustain. The flip side of that coin is of course that most of my pictures are not illustrative per se and Tom immediately pointed that out that it would be difficult to sustain interest. Which is true, but there is a trick. The original photographer sells books. One does not need to "sustain interest" once the customer has bought the book, just to produce a relatively coherent body of work.

In a nutshell: I am glad I did that project. I did not quite learn what I expected, maybe, but I certainly discovered a few things. Thank you for having followed it.
Using a phone-camera in the same orientation introduces a feeling of unity to the series. We stop worrying about the technicalities and concentrate on the content being displayed.

I have decided to join you because I thought that it was very brave of you to do this and I wanted to express my support. I did not want to follow your route or anybody else's, so I have decided on my mission parameters despite your warnings. I knew that it would be difficult, but I did not expect it to be this difficult eventually. I think we both have learned a thing or two from this experience. It was certainly not a wasted effort.
 

Tom dinning

Registrant*
Thanks, Jerome. There are many things I have learnt here due to your persistence. One of them is about your persistence. In spite of my initial criticism, which was somewhat tongue in cheek, I found myself greeted by curiosity as to what would be next at the feet or head of Jerome Marot. It felt somewhat like shuffling through a woman's purse with a never-ending supply of sharps, shapes and sugars to stick, suggest and sweeten. What next, I would ask. How can Jerome tease me so? Where has he been, what has he found? Where is he playing?
No masterpieces here; just Jerome Marot. That much I have enjoyed.
 
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