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Spanish Bullfighting (WARNING potentially offensive images)

Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
So what happened this year?

I gather that people against this were going to have another "running of the ****s" this year! Talk about blood sport; this, in itself, would seem to be a blood sport as photographers beat each other with tripods to get a good photography position!

Also, I hear that they have brought back a famous bullfighter out of retirement to fight back to build up the waing support for the "sport" in Spain.

Asher
 
Antonio Correia

Antonio Correia

Well-known member
I started this year project:
Photograph bull fighting in Moita, Portugal.
This is to begin with
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Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Well, Ivan,

Read this

"The grey Spanish bull, said to weigh almost half a ton, had just entered the ring for the second contest of the last night of the annual Carcassonne bull-fighting festival. In other words, the animal had not yet been crippled and weakened by having spears thrust into its neck and shoulders by picadors, the horse-borne bull-fighters.

Witnesses said that there was panic when the bull charged into the protected corridor for the first time, slightly injuring Mr Baile. Someone had the presence of mind to open a gate to allow the bull to escape back into the ring. But before anyone could stop it, the animal forced its way back into the protected perimeter of the ring, goring Mr Baile severely as he lay on the ground.

Bullfighting in the Spanish style, to the death of the bull (La Corrida) is technically illegal in France but permitted in areas which have an "unbroken" local tradition. This exception to the law has been interpreted broadly by French courts which have allowed bullfighting to be reintroduced to several towns in the souh west in the last two decades. One of these towns is Carcassonne, where Mr Baile was one of the leading figures in the revival of bullfighting 10 years ago." Read the rest here

That's justice or a freak accident?

Asher
 
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Will_Perlis

New member
A still active almost two year old thread! Amazing!

Given I've learned something about food production and "factory farming", along with looking at the statistics for dogs and cats killed per year at animal control facilities in the US, I'm not so sure I can get terribly upset at a pampered bull having one hell of a few days at the office and then dying.

Barbaric? Yes. Horrible compared to our civilized business as usual? I don't particularly think so.
 
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Bart_van_der_Wolf

pro member
Will_Perlis said:
A still active almost two year old thread! Amazing!

Given I've learned something about food production and "factory farming", along with looking at the statistics for dogs and cats killed per year at animal control facilities in the US, I'm not so sure I can get terribly upset at a pampered bull having one hell of a few days at the office and then dying.

Barbaric? Yes. Horrible compared to our civilized business as usual? I don't particularly think so.
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Do two wrongs make one right? Don't think so!
Because one thing is relatively less barbaric, does it make it allright?

I'm not insensitive to the cultural aspects, and I can also appreciate some of the beauty that's there as well, but that doesn't make it an acceptable practice in this time and age anymore, IMHO.
And while there is still a lot to be improved in how we treat animals, even the ones bred for consumption, things do improve due to common sense slowly prevailing.

So, when a bull tries to gets even with with his exploiters of sensation, I applaud the bull. When a photographer captures the event for the gracious aspects of the event, I have no problem with that either. When it's all about glorifying the slow killing aspect, I do have a problem with that.

Bart
 
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Leonardo Boher

pro member
Cruelty is not a virtue. It enhances the basic instinct of the ego. Just people that ignore better stuff can feel joy with this tradition. It's like drinking 1 dollar wine and 100 dollars wine or like reading tabloids or some book by Stephen Hawkings. Each level of knowledge demands pelasure proportionally to the level of that knowledge and trying to put the 'knowledge' and 'ignorance' meaning beyond the traditional definiton of 'lack of culture' or 'lack of external knowledge'. We can know the external world or we can know our internal world and somehow, it's more valuable for occident knowing the external world. We know everything but from the flesh and out and nothing about the spirit. We should be more self-aware meaning we should know more about our selves, our psychology/behaviors, then about the others in order to understand why people do this or that, in this case, why people feel joy with cruelty. We also should know what's 'joy', then what's 'cruelty' and how that interacts with our ego and nervous system, etc.
 
Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Leonardo Boher said:
We can know the external world or we can know our internal world and somehow, it's more valuable for occident knowing the external world. We know everything but from the flesh and out and nothing about the spirit.
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I doubt this is really true! There's a belief that Eastern cultures are more spiritual, but I doubt that. It's just a romantic point of view and I suspect it would be hard to prove and greater interest ins spirituality from one religion to another.

Asher
 
Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Back to bullfights. It is cruel. We have no need to be cruel to animals for either our survival or pleasure. Only the beasts have the right to rip creatures flesh while alive. We are made as animals but our culture gives us values which asks more of us.

Asher
 
Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Charlotte,

Ivan will repost. It's one of those things that one puts off: redoing old image catalogs then forgetting about posts depending on the old version then promising oneself to correct everything, then someone steals your motorbike and it goes on!! Broken links are a real PIA!

Asher
 
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Ivan Garcia

New member
Hi Charlotte / Asher.
I been meaning to send Asher the new address for the images. Alas, I am incredibly busy and I struggle to find time for family and friends... more so, for my forum friends. I can only apologize it has taken me so long to update forum image links..
Asher you may want to star editing the links to www.igdimages.co.uk/bulls/(image name here).
Again my sincere apologies, I am just so terribly busy.
 
nicolas claris

nicolas claris

OPF Co-founder/Administrator
Ivan Garcia said:
Hi Charlotte / Asher.
I been meaning to send Asher the new address for the images. Alas, I am incredibly busy and I struggle to find time for family and friends... more so, for my forum friends. I can only apologize it has taken me so long to update forum image links..
Asher you may want to star editing the links to www.igdimages.co.uk/bulls/(image name here).
Again my sincere apologies, I am just so terribly busy.
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Hi Ivan
Your first post is now edited so everyone can see your images…

BTW glad to hear you're so busy! I hope this is because of photo works!
 
Asher Kelman

Asher Kelman

OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Nicolas Claris said:
Hi Ivan
Your first post is now edited so everyone can see your images…

BTW glad to hear you're so busy! I hope this is because of photo works!
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Nicolas,

It still is broken, even after clearing the browser cache. The link by itself gos to "Forbidden"!

Good try!

Asher
 
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Ivan Garcia

New member
Hello all.
Thank you for fixing the links. Again, I am ever so sorry it me so long to update things.
@ Nicolas, Yes my photography has really taken off, to the point I am unable to even keep my site up to date with my latest work. In any case, these days commissions comes through word of mouth and repeat business so, the site has become kind of redundant.
Wishing you all the very best on your endeavours.
Until next time
Ivan
Ps I am humbled and grateful that, even after 5 years, you guys still enjoy these images. I like to extend you all my sincere gratitude for your continuous support.
 
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