Dierk Haasis
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Winston, IIU the LR Beta Podcast #8 right, it's still not decided.
Winston said:My question got hijacked so I'll have to repeat it:
Does/will LR support print-to-file with user selectable printer profiles?
Sorry Scott, not trying to run down anyone, just pointing out the lack of correlation between letters after the name and smarts. I myself come from an academic family - my dad was a physics professor and all three of my siblings have postgraduate degrees while I'm the family underachiever with only a bachelor's in math.scott kirkpatrick said:But c'mon, guys. I am one of those that you are having such fun running down, (and I don't have the good sense to stay silent).
That's a common criticism of a college education in general, in any field - it doesn't really prepare you for real world problems. In particular, (aptly named?) OOPS introduces an abstraction layer that further separates you from what's truly going on under the hood. IMO (and many "old timers") OOP, or at least in-appropriate use of OOP, has been a major contributer to code bloat and sluggishness of applications.I think writing decent code to operate in a production mode has gotten quite separated from understanding how computers think. We teach object oriented program structure and scripting languages because certain concepts can be gotten across clearly that way. Some of our students graduate into the real world without ever actually needing to use their own code on any problem of significant size.
Winston said:Thanks Alain,
Just to clarify...does LR support printing to uninstalled printers (print-to-file)?
Winston said:My question got hijacked so I'll have to repeat it
Winston said:My question got hijacked so I'll have to repeat it:
Does/will LR support print-to-file with user selectable printer profiles?
It isn't an OS issue. Qimage does it by letting the user describe the output file. The user supplies canvas size, DPI, and the icc file used to filter the image on its way to the high-quality output JPG. The JPG is then lovingly transported to the destination printer where it is printed with "no corrections". Besides Qimage, it can also be done with Photoshop. More details at Dry Creek Photo.Michael Tapes said:Winston,
I took a look at the Mac beta and because i do not have a printer hooked up to my Mac at this time, I could not assign a print driver. I would suspect that this is an OS issue. If Mac normally allows print to file, then the answer is yes, but I am guessing. I suspect that Windows will also be subject to OS capabilities. Hopefully I will hook my mac to the network printer today and be able to answer your question.
Michael Tapes said:Andrew,
I have spent a lot of time with Thomas and other Hi-level Adobe people this week, and I would say that based on my information and observations, you have this one wrong, but I understand why you say it..
Q: Lightroom is currently available only for the Mac platform, and RawShooter is available on Windows. Do you plan to turn RawShooter into your Windows version of Lightroom?
A: No. Our Windows version of Lightroom is already well under development and will be available as a public beta shortly. We will be taking the best technology in RawShooter and incorporating it into both the Mac and Windows versions of Lightroom, as well as into Adobe Camera Raw as it appears in Photoshop and other products. Incorporating RawShooter technology will take development time and may not be available within immediate versions of Lightroom. Customers who would like to be notified when the Windows beta of Lightroom becomes available should visit http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/ and click on the “sign up” link.
Alain Briot said:Yes, Lightroom Beta 3 lets you select any profile on your system. You can even build a list of your favorite profiles in Lightroom so that you don't have to wade through hundreds of arcane names each time. Very cool.
Print-to-file has nothing to do with drivers. No driver is needed. All that is needed is the creation of a jpeg.Alain Briot said:I think Michael is right. The print to file isn't necessarily part of the app. On the mac it is part of the printer driver. IP 6.1 has a direct print to file option though.
You mean like convert to profile followed by save-as in Photoshop? Lightroom can't do this?Winston said:Print-to-file has nothing to do with drivers. No driver is needed. All that is needed is the creation of a jpeg.
Don Lashier said:You mean like convert to profile followed by save-as in Photoshop? Lightroom can't do this?
- DL
That's a rather stupid limitation. C1 and any number of raw converters can do this (output to any profile). It's got to be a trivial fix, the amazing thing is that the designers overlooked this.Andrew Rodney said:That is correct. You can export an image in sRGB, Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB OR print the image to your local printer using any ICC profile. Additionally you can export this as a PDF from the Print module.
But LR lets you print with any profile so there's the similar limitation of no softproof. Also for some of us printing to inkjets with good profiles from aRGB there are rarely any surprises. RSP, C1, and (I believe) Bibble all permit conversion on save and have no softproof and no one has every complained. Sure it would be nice but certainly not reason to leave a fundamental option out of a program of the class that LR claims to be? Perhaps this is actually an alpha?Andrew Rodney said:It's trivial unless you consider that to export a file in any color space, it's handy to be able to soft proof it first (otherwise, all kinds of surprises).
Winston said:Print-to-file has nothing to do with drivers.
Dierk Haasis said:No, print-to-file does need a print driver. Because what you originally have done with this command is creating a print file which can be taken from one computer to another - say, from your office comp to a printing house -, fed into this one and print without the original application being on the comp.