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The President and Covid
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Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Trump watches this every day! No matter what people see, just deny it!
it has worked all his life!
it has worked all his life!
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
We are in danger but thank goodness the military won’t obey any orders against the civilian population!
Jerome Marot
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In the discussion about Covid deniers, we seem to forget the difficult situation the people are in. Not that it is an excuse, but it may explain how their behavior arose. The following was originally published in German:
Case 1 (Self-employed exhibition booth builder): Explains to me that he and his wife, who was previously employed by him, are facing the collapse of their existence. Has no more orders and cannot pay the rates for their house any longer. Aid packages from the government completely miss their problems. Since then only shouting at home and his relationship is collapsing. Because of distance learning, the children are always at home. Thinks that he will kill himself if the consequences of COVID19 are as long lasting as science says. So he convinces himself that politicians are wrong and everything is not so bad. He would simply like to have his old life again and sees the only chance in the fact that one may finally recognize that Corona is only the flu.
Case 2 (Employee managing director in a fitness studio): Has been busy for months processing letters from members cancelling their subscriptions. He is currently, so to speak, processing his lack of professional future. Explains to me that when the alarm clock goes off in the morning, he would prefer to stay in bed because he is so frustrated. He often sits at home in the evening and cries. He estimates that his employer will only last a few months. Studied sports and loved his job. Had a serious COVID illness in his relatives very early on and was extremely worried. But now thinks that Covid is just an excuse to "destroy the economy of the West". Is obviously totally caught in a social media conspiracy bubble.
Case 3 (Social worker at the City X Youth Welfare Office): Has several high-risk patients in his family and had a mad fear of infection at the beginning of the Corona pandemic. City X acts haphazardly, sometimes closing and sometimes opening youth care facilities - but without adequate protective measures for the employees. The social worker works with children from socially deprived areas, who naturally do not follow any regulations. Employees and children who come with masks are sometimes spat on, coughed on, etc. by other children in front of the facility. The social worker often calls in sick because he cannot mentally cope with this dangerous situation. This results in several employee interviews, in which his objections regarding occupational safety are ignored and he is accused of refusing to work. Has been explained by his bosses that he should be a better team player. My impression is that the guy has been running in zombie mode ever since. Goes to work, but is in a bad mood all the time. Doesn't take the mask commandment seriously anymore because he thinks that one of the brats at work will infect him one day anyway. He has completely resigned himself and just wants this whole "Corona circus" to stop soon.
I would bet that many of the Covid deniers are people who, like these three, see no other way out than to deny Covid.
Case 1 (Self-employed exhibition booth builder): Explains to me that he and his wife, who was previously employed by him, are facing the collapse of their existence. Has no more orders and cannot pay the rates for their house any longer. Aid packages from the government completely miss their problems. Since then only shouting at home and his relationship is collapsing. Because of distance learning, the children are always at home. Thinks that he will kill himself if the consequences of COVID19 are as long lasting as science says. So he convinces himself that politicians are wrong and everything is not so bad. He would simply like to have his old life again and sees the only chance in the fact that one may finally recognize that Corona is only the flu.
Case 2 (Employee managing director in a fitness studio): Has been busy for months processing letters from members cancelling their subscriptions. He is currently, so to speak, processing his lack of professional future. Explains to me that when the alarm clock goes off in the morning, he would prefer to stay in bed because he is so frustrated. He often sits at home in the evening and cries. He estimates that his employer will only last a few months. Studied sports and loved his job. Had a serious COVID illness in his relatives very early on and was extremely worried. But now thinks that Covid is just an excuse to "destroy the economy of the West". Is obviously totally caught in a social media conspiracy bubble.
Case 3 (Social worker at the City X Youth Welfare Office): Has several high-risk patients in his family and had a mad fear of infection at the beginning of the Corona pandemic. City X acts haphazardly, sometimes closing and sometimes opening youth care facilities - but without adequate protective measures for the employees. The social worker works with children from socially deprived areas, who naturally do not follow any regulations. Employees and children who come with masks are sometimes spat on, coughed on, etc. by other children in front of the facility. The social worker often calls in sick because he cannot mentally cope with this dangerous situation. This results in several employee interviews, in which his objections regarding occupational safety are ignored and he is accused of refusing to work. Has been explained by his bosses that he should be a better team player. My impression is that the guy has been running in zombie mode ever since. Goes to work, but is in a bad mood all the time. Doesn't take the mask commandment seriously anymore because he thinks that one of the brats at work will infect him one day anyway. He has completely resigned himself and just wants this whole "Corona circus" to stop soon.
I would bet that many of the Covid deniers are people who, like these three, see no other way out than to deny Covid.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
A fascinating sampling in 3 cases. Here it’s mixed up with Trumpism.
The latter in much part is fury at blacks and other foreigners in positions of power and their faces in authority in the TV for opinions on politics, global warming, Justice, immigration and more.
There are Blacks and Hispanics who support Trump based on the wish of the economy booming and fear of “socialists”!
But the core of Trumpism is the coslitionscof the poor uneducated cruder Christian Right with the much more sophisticated true believer Evangelical Christians educated in the “Path of “Jesus as Savior” to the nth.
Interesting paradox: although Christ died on the cross, (suffering to be “the sacrifice” that pays off the sins of the world), it doesn’t apply to Joseph Biden and Kamela Harris it even myself, for NOT voting for Trump!
(I give me votes to my wife so as not to neutralize her own choice.)
The biggest barrier I see to democracy and to managing existential threats is not being equipped to separate stories from observed and confirmed facts!
Asher
The latter in much part is fury at blacks and other foreigners in positions of power and their faces in authority in the TV for opinions on politics, global warming, Justice, immigration and more.
There are Blacks and Hispanics who support Trump based on the wish of the economy booming and fear of “socialists”!
But the core of Trumpism is the coslitionscof the poor uneducated cruder Christian Right with the much more sophisticated true believer Evangelical Christians educated in the “Path of “Jesus as Savior” to the nth.
Interesting paradox: although Christ died on the cross, (suffering to be “the sacrifice” that pays off the sins of the world), it doesn’t apply to Joseph Biden and Kamela Harris it even myself, for NOT voting for Trump!
(I give me votes to my wife so as not to neutralize her own choice.)
The biggest barrier I see to democracy and to managing existential threats is not being equipped to separate stories from observed and confirmed facts!
Asher
Food for thought....
I immerse myself in photography to escape from life's more divisive and abrasive topics, such as politics.
The one thing certain today is if you take a stand vocally on one extreme or the other, you'll likely piss off about 50% of the people you associate with.
No matter which side you're on, nobody is going to convince anyone on the other side to come over to their point of view.
I think it might be good to keep that in mind when we post on a photography forum. Why are we even talking about politics here anyway?
I wonder if that's why this place has so little participation, compared to the good ole days....
Just a thought
I immerse myself in photography to escape from life's more divisive and abrasive topics, such as politics.
The one thing certain today is if you take a stand vocally on one extreme or the other, you'll likely piss off about 50% of the people you associate with.
No matter which side you're on, nobody is going to convince anyone on the other side to come over to their point of view.
I think it might be good to keep that in mind when we post on a photography forum. Why are we even talking about politics here anyway?
I wonder if that's why this place has so little participation, compared to the good ole days....
Just a thought
Jerome Marot
Well-known member
The politics discussions are generally limited to this particular section, so it is easy to avoid them.
The particular passage I cited from your post however worries me. If you are likely to piss off 50% of the people you associate with just by stating an opinion, it would seem that you only associate with extremists. That should be ground for concern. I am not pissed off when somebody expresses a political opinion I don't adhere to and neither are most of the people I associate with. We can agree to disagree.
Asher Kelman
OPF Owner/Editor-in-Chief
Tim,
Yes, there could be losses, but we still talk to thr folk that disagree with s.
Given that a pandemic that hits older folk with a variety of very common conditions with a high risk of death, I thought we would buck the trend and risk everything but allow discussion, since our lives are on the line.
Also our way of life.
But a fellow like you is even more of a treasure to us as you are as I am, still actively immersed in photography.
When I see the progress Jim Olson has made in capturing BIF with feedback here, I feel it’s very much worthwhile.
As we get past the COVID distraction, we’ll be far less likely to have political discussions. Right now, it’s like surviving the Luftwafffe Blitz in London, when we met many strangers at a time in bomb shelters and in the morning picking through debris for odd worthwhile “finds”!
Rightnow, I would welcome any ideas you might havecto help us on the road to recovery!
Asher